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Old 07-26-2018, 10:14 AM
 
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No.... and we already dealt with that. using the term Illegal Alien is no attempt to turn anything away from anyones 'humanity'. that is asinine. It is used because it is the legal reality.
Is it not also a legal reality that they are "undocumented"?

Why such a strong preference for one over the other?
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Old 07-26-2018, 10:16 AM
 
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What is wrong with illegal resident?
Illegal aliens are not residents, they are unlawfully in the country and will be removed when caught.

Resident aliens are foreigners that legally reside in the country. Aka green card holders, I know because I had one.

Then there's natural born citizen and naturalized citizen.

There's nothing offensive about the word alien, it's an accurate description.
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Old 07-26-2018, 10:17 AM
 
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so just to clear this up. YOU are defending the humanity of animals that rape mutilate and decapitate their fellow humans.
Yes, I am stating the scientific fact that people are humans and animals.
The science on that doesn't change because of actions taken by the person.

Just as a dog saving it's owner doesn't make the dog a human.


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YOU are defending the illegal act


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CBeisbol wants bad guys in America. period. discussion over.
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Old 07-26-2018, 10:26 AM
 
Location: Lone Mountain Las Vegas NV
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Illegal aliens are not residents. They will be removed when caught.
Of course they are residents. The majority have been in the country for over a decade. One who lives in a place over a decade is clearly a resident of that place.

They are illegal aliens. They are undocumented workers.

And we need to come to our senses and make most of them legal aliens. They are not going away and legalization is the only likely way to gain control of our immigration system.
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Old 07-26-2018, 10:28 AM
 
Location: San Diego
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Of course they are residents. The majority have been in the country for over a decade. One who lives in a place over a decade is clearly a resident of that place.

They are illegal aliens. They are undocumented workers.

And we need to come to our senses and make most of them legal aliens. They are not going away and legalization is the only likely way to gain control of our immigration system.
I see, so if we just forgive all criminal acts our crime stats go down. That's an interesting way to "solve" a problem.
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Old 07-26-2018, 10:29 AM
 
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I never stopped referring to illegal aliens as what they are: illegal aliens. The moment they cross the border without due process, they are illegal. And the term alien is common technical parlance in describing non-citizens in this context.


"Undocumented immigrants" is a term that attempts to normalize and mollify the illegal presence of people who shouldn't be here.


"If we don't use ugly words, we won't have any ugliness" - The Fountainhead


I will update that: If we don't use accurate words, we won't have accuracy. And accuracy in describing and defining people who walk into our country without due process is the enemy. Leftists realize that we don't want to identify them accurately, or we won't be able to invent a plausible rationale for their presence.


So no, they are illegal aliens because that term accurately identifies and describes them.


The administration is getting this right.

Last edited by CaseyB; 07-26-2018 at 10:46 AM.. Reason: Language
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Old 07-26-2018, 10:32 AM
 
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Of course they are residents. The majority have been in the country for over a decade. One who lives in a place over a decade is clearly a resident of that place.

They are illegal aliens. They are undocumented workers.

And we need to come to our senses and make most of them legal aliens. They are not going away and legalization is the only likely way to gain control of our immigration system.
They can pay rent and live at the same address for 10, 20, 30 years. The law still does not recognize them as residents and they will be deported when caught. This is the fact, the truth. you're playing with feelings and word games again. Sorry bub.
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Old 07-26-2018, 10:36 AM
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Location: On the Border
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It is ridiculous but it is not the Right Wingers that are pushing to make everything PC and baby soft.

It is like how the schools and juvenile sports have been made PC so no ones feelings get hurt if they should get a poor grade or lose a game.

Even the idiots that jump on Police cars and burn and loot their neighborhoods out of a misguided protest were once called "Rioters" then "Protesters" and now "activists" that are given the space by Liberal mayor to act out and destroy while the Police are told to stand down.

Who came up with that brilliant plan? I call them idiots.

It is funny how the Dems can call the President of the United States a fascist Nazi and all sorts of terrible names when he is trying to enforce existing laws BUT we can't call an illegal alien an illegal alien because it is offensive?

It it crazy that we can't call something what it is.
No one is making you say anything you don't want to. Yet your upset by what I or others choose to say. That's you being whiny and soft. Only difference is your whinyness is based on contempt and anger and the other is based on sympathy and kindness. Go on with your bad hard self and call 'em whatever you want. And you elected a similarly whiny, contemptuous president so on official documents, for the time being anyway, they'll be referred to in a way you like. Like I said, you all can shut up about it now. But you can't, can you?
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Old 07-26-2018, 10:37 AM
 
Location: Lone Mountain Las Vegas NV
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I see, so if we just forgive all criminal acts our crime stats go down. That's an interesting way to "solve" a problem.
They are not criminal unless the Feds chose to charge as such...which they will not do. They will not because a criminal charge gets the alien a lawyer and the right to a defense. The Feds will in fact proceed in Immigration Courts where that is not true. So the illegals get deported not convicted of a crime.

And it is the only way to solve this problem. There is no will or capability to enforce the immigration laws
against the long term illegals. So the choices are to legalize most or live with the situation as it is. in the long term we willl legalize most. The actual question is when.
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Old 07-26-2018, 10:40 AM
 
Location: NJ
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DOJ tells U.S. attorneys to use ‘illegal alien’ instead of ‘undocumented’: report

The Department of Justice (DOJ) informed U.S. attorneys to use the term “illegal alien” when referring to an individual who entered the country illegally, according to CNN.

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“The word ‘undocumented’ is not based in U.S. code and should not be used to describe someone’s illegal presence in the country,” the email said, according to a CNN article published Tuesday.
Not sure why anyone should have a problem with this... but I know how it works around here.


The thesaurus used by Obama to solve and create problems has been thankfully retired.
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