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Old 07-29-2018, 09:08 AM
 
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If I recall, Trump claimed that there was no economic growth for years when he was campaigning, and his cultist followers believed him.

Now, he steals credit for what is just latest quarter of economic growth in a recovery that has been going on since long before he even ran for office, and we're supposed to be impressed? Oh, but Cult 45 will believe it, of course!
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Old 07-29-2018, 09:12 AM
 
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Labor unions are a very powerful force in pretty much any developed country, except America. Its a myth that the reason labor was destroyed in America was because of 3rd world labor and AI. They have that in other developed countries as well, including our allies. It was a concerted effort to destroy the union movement by the corporate business elites.

You are looking at it backwards. I agree many corporations wanted to get rid of the unions but it was NAFTA that made it much easier.



NAFTA and China's favored nation status helped corporations gain an edge on unions and workers. Suddenly they had an ace in the hole. Workers go on strike or demand more and the company can simply move the plant out of the country. That is what happened. The unions no longer had the power they once had. So workers no longer needed them. And they were thought of as a villain to many because they pushed companies into moving the plant out of the country.
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Old 07-29-2018, 09:13 AM
 
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"As well as the horrible greedy corporations."

Sorry, I quit reading right there.

As they say, 'You CAN'T reason with a UNREASONABLE person!"

I was being sarcastic. Note the icon after my sentence.
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Old 07-29-2018, 09:14 AM
 
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I agree with you post except, manufacturing is coming back to the Rust Belt. You gotta give it more than 18 months, but it's already starting. The challenge now is the lack of training among our unemployed & a defeatist mentality that's been telling them their only option is government dependency. The jobs aren't 1918 assembly line stuff though, tech skills are needed and in areas that have been depressed for 25-30 years, many of the people no longer have any skills. That's why Trump is launching these training/trade/apprenticeship programs.
Manufacturing jobs have been coming back to the Rust Belt for years. Can we stop pretending Trump is somehow the key factor in a trend that has been happening since before he even ran for office?

https://www.forbes.com/sites/joelkot.../#5f7197e53b3e

"Over the past eight years manufacturing has bounced back strongly from the crater the sector fell in during the Great Recession, gaining 1.1 million jobs. In recent months, 17 of the 18 major industries have been in growth mode, according to the Institute for Supply Management. Manufacturers expect to add nearly 2% more jobs nationally during calendar 2018 and the Institute’s Purchasing Manager’s Index has shown 20 months of continuous growth through April 2018."

Even Forbes will flat-out tell you that manufacturing jobs have been returning since about 2010 (gee, about when the recovery actually started - not the day Trump took office), and they are hardly a "left-wing" news source.

Seriously, let's stop pretending that trends that started before Trump took office should now be attributed to him. It's partisan, transparent, and intellectually dishonest.

Oh, and we've tried retraining people in the past - it doesn't always work. Here, we have coal workers REFUSING retraining while they wait for Big Gubermint Trump to hand them new coal jobs at the taxpayers' expense.

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-t...-idUSKBN1D14G0

Unreal.
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Old 07-29-2018, 09:20 AM
 
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You are looking at it backwards. I agree many corporations wanted to get rid of the unions but it was NAFTA that made it much easier.



NAFTA and China's favored nation status helped corporations gain an edge on unions and workers. Suddenly they had an ace in the hole. Workers go on strike or demand more and the company can simply move the plant out of the country. That is what happened. The unions no longer had the power they once had. So workers no longer needed them. And they were thought of as a villain to many because they pushed companies into moving the plant out of the country.
The attacks on unions started much earlier than when Wall Street pushed through NAFTA with bipartisan support.

Lots of countries have outsourcing and trade with China. Its completely normal in all developed countries. But labor unions are still a very powerful force in countries that are our closest allies. The deliberate destruction of the unions is something American, and cant be laid at the feet of international trade. Over 70% of workers in most developed countries are in the service sector by the way. You seem to have this idea that unions mean coal worker. Service sector employees are very often unionized in developed countries. And no, service sector does not automatically mean Mcdonalds worker, thats another myth.
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Old 07-29-2018, 09:20 AM
 
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It is a regressive tax. It hurts poor people more than wealthier people. As it stands now illegal aliens pay sales tax when they buy things. And as it stands now if an illegal alien goes to the ER with a medical emergency they get treated. That is not going to change regardless of a VAT.
"It is a regressive tax. It hurts poor people more than wealthier people."

More B.S. myth the libs like to spread.

Say a poor person buys a bottle of whiskey ( this is only make believe because we KNOW liquor stores do NOT exist in poor areas) and it costs $10.00

Say the VAT ax is 10% The poor person would have to have to pay $1.00 in taxes.

The "wealthy" person buys a new Cadillac and the price is $75,000.

How much tax will he have to pay at 10%?

Or the "wealthy" person buys a send home for vacationing, ( the poor do NOT own a home in most cases), the house cost $200,000. What is the tax on that?

Maybe it needs to be remodeled.

NOW the new house has to be furnished.

The "wealthy" people have a BIGGER Cost of LIVING, MORE money and they SPEND MORE. MORE in clothing, MORE in food and drink, MORE in EVERYTHING which results in THEM paying MORE in taxes.

It ain't rocket science.

And may on the left call us "UN-educated"!
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Old 07-29-2018, 09:26 AM
 
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I was being sarcastic. Note the icon after my sentence.

"Note the icon after my sentence"


Sorry, I do't follow icons.
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Old 07-29-2018, 09:29 AM
 
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Maybe them shovel ready jobs and all that money should have went to good use then.....
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Old 07-29-2018, 09:29 AM
 
Location: Denver, CO
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"It is a regressive tax. It hurts poor people more than wealthier people."

More B.S. myth the libs like to spread.

Say a poor person buys a bottle of whiskey ( this is only make believe because we KNOW liquor stores do NOT exist in poor areas) and it costs $10.00

Say the VAT ax is 10% The poor person would have to have to pay $1.00 in taxes.

The "wealthy" person buys a new Cadillac and the price is $75,000.

How much tax will he have to pay at 10%?

Or the "wealthy" person buys a send home for vacationing, ( the poor do NOT own a home in most cases), the house cost $200,000. What is the tax on that?

Maybe it needs to be remodeled.

NOW the new house has to be furnished.

The "wealthy" people have a BIGGER Cost of LIVING, MORE money and they SPEND MORE. MORE in clothing, MORE in food and drink, MORE in EVERYTHING which results in THEM paying MORE in taxes.

It ain't rocket science.

And may on the left call us "UN-educated"!
ALL taxation is theft.
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Old 07-29-2018, 09:30 AM
 
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France growth at .2% last quarter. Yikes
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