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2. it wont be paid 75% by your employers ... it will be ALL ON YOURSELF, the individual taxpayer....which there are only about 80 million.... so that's about 50k to each taxpayer..... can you afford that...
This...otherwise known as "why the individual dislikes Medicare for all once they see what it will actually cost them."
Why did Vermont, home of the Mad Socialist Bernie, scrap their plan in 2014? Why did Colorado voters defeat that plan in 2016, even while going for Clinton in the election, by an 80-20 supermajority beatdown?
When the individual sees the cost, they vote nay. It is in their best, rational self-interest to do so.
It's rare to have the ability to compare apples to apples when discussing our healthcare versus other countries but I was able to do so not so long ago. My daughter had a very rare tumor in her head. She had full facial paralysis, herniated brain tissue, severe infection and ended up in same day emergency surgery. This incredibly rare tumor has a small group of us from around the world who compare notes, etc.
What I found was in the U.K., wait times were in the 6-8 month range for emergency surgery and things like long term side effects (e.g. Deafness, paralysis, lost of taste, vertigo) were quite common. Normal wait time in the U.K. was in the 12-18 month range. Australia, emergency was in the 7-9 month time range (depending on area) and normal wait time was 3-5 years. Much higher prevalence of long term side effects as well.
Yes, my daughter will always have to think about how her career choices could make or break her ability to get insurance. Yes, cost was a huge factor. But, she also has very, very few long term side effects. Sure, none of those people who have them in other countries are dying from these side effects but quality of life sure was impacted for them. It wasn't for my daughter.
We have one thing other countries do not have - fast care. Only here in the US could we have gotten the speed of care necessary to keep this tumor from causing huge life impacts for her for the rest of her life. Even private care in those other countries cannot compete with the speed of care here. If that means I pay more here, so be it, because I know how much those other people are suffering from having those long wait times for surgery and I'm pretty damn thankful my kid isn't one of them.
So, no thanks to universal healthcare.
I don't believe that someone in Australia, who has full face paralysis, herniated brain tissue and severe infection would wait 3-5 years for "emergency" surgery - someone is puling your leg.
Emergency surgery where I am, is just that - an emergency, so is performed within days.
I watched part of a documentary recently, where a boy in the US had a tumour that weighed nearly as much as he did, removed -perhaps that wasn't considered an emergency?
I don't believe that someone in Australia, who has full face paralysis, herniated brain tissue and severe infection would wait 3-5 years for "emergency" surgery - someone is puling your leg.
Emergency surgery where I am, is just that - an emergency, so is performed within days.
I watched part of a documentary recently, where a boy in the US had a tumour that weighed nearly as much as he did, removed -perhaps that wasn't considered an emergency?
It's not considered life threatening and thus is a very long waiting period. None of those issues, while having a huge impact in your life, will kill you. Just kind of make you hate life. I too thought that was crazy but it's been pretty much across the board for those in Australia using the public option. And I do not know how they can honestly call it "emergency" surgery and then make people wait years.
It's not considered life threatening and thus is a very long waiting period. None of those issues, while having a huge impact in your life, will kill you. Just kind of make you hate life. I too thought that was crazy but it's been pretty much across the board for those in Australia using the public option. And I do not know how they can honestly call it "emergency" surgery and then make people wait years.
I don't think they would call it emergency surgery- perhaps the people telling you this are being less than honest?
When I hear of emergency surgery here, it means hospital within a few days at the most. I wouldn't think Australia would be much different.
I think any first world country will have people with tales of long waits.
sorry, but "medi-lack-of-care" killed my father...... never will I support a big government medical system
If you had typed Medicaid, then most likely. The only issue I've seen with Medicare is related to hospitals and inpatient time when a certain amount of days have passed and the patient has to be released and sent on their way. After about an hour they could be checked back in and it would be considered a new incident.
How much are we paying right now for healthcare, with all of the insurance company middle men?
When States eliminate mandates, and when you actually have a Free Market-based system, instead of hospital monopolies and cartels that illegally collude to illegally fix prices above Market rates, you won't be paying much.
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LOL, "according to the analysis being released Monday by the Mercatus Center"
Who funds this extreme right wing group?
The Left-wing Urban Institute came to the same conclusion, and 5 years earlier, I repeatedly said it would cost you about $3.5 TRILLION, but you're not obviously interested in reality.
If and when you finally understand how your healthcare system evolved, and how it operates, then you'll no longer be ignorant of the reality.
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Its perfectly possible to create a single payer system for 12-13% of GDP in America.
You have to weigh it against other things like the cost of earlier mortality and morbidity rates in the population of those w/ no/poor coverage, inability to be productive and work and how that effects the communities, cities and states people live in, family disruptions due to no coverage of insurance, children without coverage and how that affects their growing up years and ability to be productive in the future and contribute to society, all sorts of factors have to be weighed in to determine the "cost."
Its perfectly possible to create a single payer system for 12-13% of GDP in America. ?
really????..... NOT
12% of the current GDP is around 2.5-2.6 trillion
The current average lifetime cost of long-term care per person already has reached $172,000 (in 2016 dollars), according to the report entitled “Formal cost of long-term care services: How can society meet a growing need?,” based on a study of insurance claims. The estimate includes all paid services but not informal care.
The growing elderly population and rising costs of care will mean that the total financial burden will double from $2.8 trillion to $5.6 trillion (in 2016 dollars) by 2047, the report says.
The report also estimates costs by state. The most expensive is Connecticut, where individuals relying on long-term care need an average of $244,000 to cover paid services. Massachusetts is second at $236,000.
Nebraska has the lowest per-person costs, at $130,000, and Arizona the second lowest, at $137,000, according to the report. https://www.aarp.org/health/health-i...m-care-fd.html
number of americans in full pledged nursing homes: 2.5 million...... the average cost Adult Day Health Care,.20,000 per year......assisted living facility 45,000 per year....nursing home (semi-private room),.85,000 per year.......nursing home (private room),.$96,000 ANNUALLY
number of americans in all levels of nursing homes and assisted living....12 million (Annually 11,995,100 people receive support from the 5 main long-term care service; home health agencies (5,742,500), nursing homes (2,383,700), hospices (1,544,500), residential care communities (913,300) and adult day service centers (373,200)...............total cost of long term care 590 billion annually...and going up every year https://www.genworth.com/corporate/a...t-of-care.html
will nursing homes be covered under a singlepayer...or would that massive expense be classified as ''not covered''?? or is that nearly trillion dollar bill right back on the peoples back??
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number of americans with heart disease: 29.2 million and of those..((Number of visits with heart disease as primary diagnosis: 17 million ))((Number of discharges with heart disease as first-listed diagnosis: 4.9 million)).....900,000 people in the USA die from heart disease annually....the cost 690 billion annually
will cardiac care be covered under a singlepayer...or would that massive expense be classified as ''not covered'' or "sorry you smoke, or eat too much" not covered?? that is the cost of CARE... again has nothing to do with insurance
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number of americans with diabetes: 31 million....total cost 375 billion per year, and rising.....
will the ''government single-payer'' say.... nope, you got diabetes, because you are FAT, sorry not covered??
$32.6T over ten(!) years. Nice inflammatory scary headline. Why not $326T? Over the next 100 years?
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