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Old 08-01-2018, 06:53 AM
 
Location: crafton pa
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You have a severe logical fallacy going on here. You're using a variation of the genetic fallacy. That fallacy occurs when a claim's truth or falsehood is evaluated solely on the basis of the person making the claim. Typically, it goes something like "He's a communist, so what he's saying can't be true". A really common version in today's political discourse, which happens on both sides, is that both sides routinely discount news stories based solely on the news source, rather than on actual evidence for or against what is being reported. I'm sure you've heard liberals scream "That was on Fox News, so it's BS", or conservatives scream "CNN reported it so it's garbage". Obviously, being reported by a given source, in and of itself, is not evidence that a claim is false.


In similar vein, you are asserting that because a given police department has been shown to engage in racial injustice, that a particular shooting by that department must have been racially motivated and unjustified. Even a bad cop can do things right sometimes. The history of racial injustice does not guarantee that ALL actions by that department are unjustified. You still have to prove that in a given case, the action was actually unjustified.

Furthermore, you seem to be suggesting that because one PD has been found to engage in racist practice that this implicates all PD's. That certainly is absurd. That's quite clear if you change the argument to an analogous one. Bill Cosby is a black man. Bill Cosby has been proven to be a rapist. Therefore, all black men are rapists. Obviously, this is an absurd argument, but it's no different than the one you are suggesting by saying that since the Ferguson PD is racist, all PD's are.
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Old 08-01-2018, 06:57 AM
 
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How were the residents right? By burning down buildings and destroying property of innocent business owners to protest a justifiable shooting?
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The residents/protestors weren't right about the Brown shooting, it WAS justified.

They were right about much of the cities policies and the way they policed the city being bad...
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Old 08-01-2018, 07:00 AM
 
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You have a severe logical fallacy going on here. You're using a variation of the genetic fallacy. That fallacy occurs when a claim's truth or falsehood is evaluated solely on the basis of the person making the claim. Typically, it goes something like "He's a communist, so what he's saying can't be true". A really common version in today's political discourse, which happens on both sides, is that both sides routinely discount news stories based solely on the news source, rather than on actual evidence for or against what is being reported. I'm sure you've heard liberals scream "That was on Fox News, so it's BS", or conservatives scream "CNN reported it so it's garbage". Obviously, being reported by a given source, in and of itself, is not evidence that a claim is false.


In similar vein, you are asserting that because a given police department has been shown to engage in racial injustice, that a particular shooting by that department must have been racially motivated and unjustified. Even a bad cop can do things right sometimes. The history of racial injustice does not guarantee that ALL actions by that department are unjustified. You still have to prove that in a given case, the action was actually unjustified.

Furthermore, you seem to be suggesting that because one PD has been found to engage in racist practice that this implicates all PD's. That certainly is absurd. That's quite clear if you change the argument to an analogous one. Bill Cosby is a black man. Bill Cosby has been proven to be a rapist. Therefore, all black men are rapists. Obviously, this is an absurd argument, but it's no different than the one you are suggesting by saying that since the Ferguson PD is racist, all PD's are.
You're committing a straw man fallacy as I've made none of those claims,
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Old 08-01-2018, 07:07 AM
 
Location: crafton pa
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You're committing a straw man fallacy as I've made none of those claims,
Fine, then what's your point of posting the findings about the Ferguson PD?
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Old 08-01-2018, 07:25 AM
 
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Fine, then what's your point of posting the findings about the Ferguson PD?
Already asked and answered


That these riots aren't generally just about one shooting and the people have generally been right

And, no, its not Bill Cosby making all black men rapists. It's the people in a community might know more about what goes on in that community than the people arguing about it on an internet message board
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Old 08-01-2018, 07:28 AM
 
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That these riots aren't generally just about one shooting and the people have generally been right

And, no, its not Bill Cosby making all black men rapists. It's the people in a community might know more about what goes on in that community than the people arguing about it on an internet message board
And many people in those said communities can't do basic math. When you are the majority of the demographic it's just common sense that the majority of police interactions are going to be with that demographic. Who cares what racist Holder's DoJ said, they were wrong.
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Old 08-01-2018, 07:33 AM
 
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He ran from police, probably because he had a gun and knew he would go to jail. He then brandished that gun, and seemed to turn and point it at police. Justified shooting.

There's really no counter argument.
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Old 08-01-2018, 07:41 AM
 
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And many people in those said communities can't do basic math.
That may be true
But irrelevant.
Basic math doesn't solve the complex issues

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When you are the majority of the demographic it's just common sense
Similarly, common sense.
If your version of common sense doesn't involve things like controlling for income, then it's not the right tool for the job


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Who cares what racist Holder's DoJ said, they were wrong.
Of course random internet poster who almost certainly hasn't read the reports and wouldn't understand them if they did. How were the reports wrong.

And be careful, Stremba will be along to call out your logical fallacy here, I'm sure.
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