THE TRIAL: Former Trump Campaign Manager Paul Manafort Vs The United States of America. (racist, jobs)

[Terr]

Originally Posted by TEPLimey

Here is a detailed analysis of what has been corroborated. It’s much more than just Carter Page traveling to Moscow. A lot of the Steele dossier has since been corroborated.

There is nothing there about corroboration. The closest it comes is this:

"We learned that when Carter Page traveled to Moscow in July 2016, he met with close Putin ally and chairman of the Russian state oil company, Igor Sechin. A later Steele report also claimed that he met with parliamentary secretary Igor Divyekin while in Moscow. Investigative journalist Michael Isikoff reported in September 2016 that U.S. intelligence sources confirmed that Page met with both Sechin and Divyekin during his July trip to Russia."

Of course since then we found out that Isikoff's information originated with (surprise!) Steele himself. What a great corroboration.

[AADAD]

The defense called no witnesses? Burden of proof not met? Gee people what do you say now?

[G1..]

Originally Posted by AADAD

The defense called no witnesses? Burden of proof not met? Gee people what do you say now?

LOL, .....you're not going to be happy.

[take57]

Originally Posted by AADAD

The defense called no witnesses? Burden of proof not met? Gee people what do you say now?

I say someone is counting on a pardon...

[LGR_NYR]

Originally Posted by loves2read

His campaign chair
Obtained an illegal bank loan
From president of a bank
Who wanted the job in Trump's pervue of Sec of the Army
The guy must have thought Manafort had the stroke to make it happen to turn over 15-16 million dollars in a loan to a guy who was seriously in debt
The people at the bank knew that money was likely flying out the window w/Manafort
But the president was adamant

Whether Trump knew about it -- like he likely knew about Cohen taking money under the table to smooth the way for companies/countries to "understand" how to talk to the WH/Trump---or he didn't

Sec of the Army is under Trump's watch--
Nobody but the President has a Sec of the Army

I mean the NRA doesn't
The RNC doesn't
Exxon doesn't

So yes--
Trump IS tied to that guy through Manafort--who was his campaign manager when he made the loan I believe

Whether he knew about it or not---remains to be seen--
Think Mueller will ask him about that in addition to the Comey conversation???

All you have laid out is what if's, hearsay and speculation. Where is your smoking gun? None of this is admissible. You would need Trump on tape agreeing to part or all of this. Ort, at least an acknowledgment that he knew. Even then it's not a slam dunk. It's not what you know, it's what you can proof. Right now you got nothing.

[legalsea]

Originally Posted by take57

I say someone is counting on a pardon...

While I noted that a 'pardon' was a possibility, earlier, I also noted that a Pardon was fraught with danger to President Trump.



Briefly, a person that receives a "Presidential Pardon" must, if called upon, speak the Truth.



If Mr. Manafort obtains a Pardon, he is no longer in danger of going to prison. Unless, of course, he lies in subsequent testimony.


Thus, President Trump: do I forgive Mr. Manafort for his crimes, but that will mean that he would have to testify truthfully.




About me!


I tend to think that Mr. Manafort is 'old school': he will go to prison, rather than 'rat out' his friends.

[LGR_NYR]

Originally Posted by take57

I say someone is counting on a pardon...

If Manafort is found guilty I don't think he will get a full pardon. He MAY get a commuted sentence from Trump.

[LGR_NYR]

Originally Posted by AADAD

The defense called no witnesses? Burden of proof not met? Gee people what do you say now?

I think the defense is going pound away at Muller's case in closing arguments as a crime that was manufactured by Muller to pressure Manafort in an unrelated investigation and they used a closed investigation where two independent federal agencies declined to press charges 12-13 years ago. I think that is it in a nutshell and establishes reasonable doubt for an acquittal.

I may have missed it but I never found out why the IRS and FBI declined to press charges.

[wrecking ball]

Originally Posted by AADAD

The defense called no witnesses? Burden of proof not met?

either that or any witnesses that could be called could potentially do more damage to the defendant on cross examination.

Gee people what do you say now?

lets see what the jury comes back with.

[loves2read]

Originally Posted by workingclasshero

Manafort is going to be acquitted

Let's hope your job doesn't require much analytical thinking...