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Old 08-24-2018, 07:29 PM
 
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Thanks that's informative, it's sort of in the line of what my relative was saying, although he was saying the H-1B's actually made a whole lot less. Surprising that employers would go through all the hassle to replace an American worker with an H-1B for that little in savings, seems like all the administration alone would eat up any savings from a cheaper hire.
Yes, but they could make you work horrible shifts and scream at you like a drill sergeant and you can't complain or it's back to India you go as H1Bs are tied to a company. It's indentured servitude, and I've heard this term from both American workers and Indian workers who want to do the right thing and help American by coming here who are facing 70 year green card backlogs while Tata, Infosys, Wirpo, etc conspire with "American" companies to cheat the H1Bs and American workers alike.

 
Old 08-24-2018, 07:31 PM
 
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Are you referring to H2B workers because H1B are visas that hire ones in specialty occupations. H2B workers are the ones Trump hires for Mar a Largo. And labor unions have always complained about H2B workers because they take away jobs for Americans.
I'd take the labor unions more seriously if they weren't the ones pushing for Amnesty for illegals. Poor Cesar Chavez is turning over in his grave!
 
Old 08-24-2018, 07:37 PM
 
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That may be the case, but it sounds from what you're describing, the company is breaking the law. That's what's a bit puzzling, because the law on the H-1B if not the enforcement of it, is pretty explicit, it says the H-1B's can be taken in only if there aren't American citizens to do the job already, and one of the ways to verify that is that the foreign worker must be paid the same as American workers, and receive the same benefits. The law around the visa explicit forbids bringing in a foreign worker if Americans are available. And from what you're saying, the company preferred them because they got lower wages than Americans who could also do the job but would get paid more. IOW violating the law surrounding H-1B hiring. That means a huge risk to the company and extra costs from things like lawyer's fees, which is why I'm puzzled a company would take, basically, an existential risk to bring an H-1B on board for so little savings.

Although it didn't happen all that often, I do remember in some cases during the Obama admininstration, when a company was heavily fined or totally shut down for H-1B abuse. The problem is the enforcement was too inconsistent and the ones that caught either were really egregious or just plain stupid and up-front with their abuses, which is why a lot of companies seem to think they can get away with it. But what you've described is very much illegal no matter how good those workers are, I'm not doubting the qualifications of the foreign workers but the laws of every country in the world (even in the Gulf States with all those foreign workers) give preference to their own workers from pure necessity, after all they're the ones with a long term stake in the country. Although enforcement and some loopholes may be an issue, the stated law around the H-1B is clear that foreign workers can be brought in only for positions that are totally unfillable and documented labor shortages, which is common-sense-- it doesn't make sense to saddle American students with $1.5 trillion in student loans and then make good STEM jobs even more difficult for them to get to work off the debt. The countries of these foreign workers should be doing a better job of providing jobs for them, just as our country focuses first on our own citizens for jobs and good salaries.

That's why even with the weak enforcement under GW Bush and Obama, there was still a risk in violating the specific requirements for the H-1B and I would imagine, is probably a lot higher now with Trump in office, though that's what I'm unsure about. So it would seem the company would have to have much higher savings to justify the hazard of, essentially, breaking the law if they're passing over qualified Americans, even if their wages would be higher-- and the lower wages are a dead giveaway that they're doing just that.

What happens is that those like Disney will go through one or more agencies, some big ones like Tata, and some smaller staffing agencies, that actually do the hiring and dirty work. And either there is a loophole in the law that lets these guys get away with it or else Congress is too lazy/crooked to bother chasing all of these chains down to the actual hiring agency. I've even heard talk of some hiring agencies using fake addresses or vacant buildings! Also, each of these agencies take their cut so if somebody is working for $75K for Disney, they, after the chain of agencies, might only see $40K of that. So then they room together a bunch per room, landlords eventually catch on and raise the rates, knowing the foreigners can pay more, and thus housing costs go up for everyone!
 
Old 08-24-2018, 08:20 PM
 
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I can understand the outrage against H-1B and L-1 visas.
But is this against immigration on the whole?
So many 7-eleven franchise are owned by Foreigners, Indian Green Card holders or Lottery winners !!! So many Motels / chain Hotels are owned by immigrants.

If the push is against immigration, I never heard about people saying anything again 7-eleven / motel ownership in the hands of foreign origin. Are they not displacing Americans from Business opportunities?

Only H-1, L-1 is being picked for criticism !!!
Michelle Malkin's book Sold Out targeted a number of visa abuses, including the EB-5 visa, which is abused by Chinese land developers, among others.
 
Old 08-24-2018, 08:32 PM
 
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This is an useful resource. Last week there was an act passed named ~ Carl E Perkins act which provides grants for high schoool students to take up STEM education.
Is that what you thought it was? Career Technical Education, which is what the Perkins funding was about, was once called Common Career Technical Core, till the name Common Core became mud: https://www.careertech.org/sites/def...cesSupport.pdf


These corporatists are dirty, BTW. I found some language in 2013 suggesting that they fund the current CTE funding here with the visa application fees they were planning on getting the all the American jobs they were going to sell out to H1B visas in the, thankfully foiled, Gang of Eight immigration bill.


As for STEM, it's invented by the UN and being pushed by Gates, Zuckerberg, and other "ed reformers" who happen to be the same bunch of sorry (Cannot put in print on City-Data) low-down yellow-bellied green-eyed greedy pompous elitist corporate heads that are sending our jobs to India and replacing us with H1Bs here!
 
Old 08-27-2018, 12:32 PM
 
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What happens is that those like Disney will go through one or more agencies, some big ones like Tata, and some smaller staffing agencies, that actually do the hiring and dirty work. And either there is a loophole in the law that lets these guys get away with it or else Congress is too lazy/crooked to bother chasing all of these chains down to the actual hiring agency. I've even heard talk of some hiring agencies using fake addresses or vacant buildings! Also, each of these agencies take their cut so if somebody is working for $75K for Disney, they, after the chain of agencies, might only see $40K of that. So then they room together a bunch per room, landlords eventually catch on and raise the rates, knowing the foreigners can pay more, and thus housing costs go up for everyone!
Oh yes I saw a lot of this in my days working STEM, the H-1B's brought in on slave wages, bunch of them rooming together in filthy squalid conditions which becomes contagious and makes the housing mess miserable for everyone else. Costs go up, the H-1B worker's meager earnings then don't even allow for remittances, they become virtual slaves, the only thing keeping them here being the dangling carrot of a green card. Immigrant workers miserable, American workers miserable, only the corrupt and uber greedy execs who've usually already inherited a multimillion dollar trust fund make out like a bunch of bandits, everyone else including 99% of Americans lose. And yeah, Tata is a piece of work, they and Infosys were among the worst of the body shops in already corrupt industry.

This part esp rings pretty true, "Congress is too lazy/crooked to bother chasing all of these chains down to the actual hiring agency" This has been the defining problem of the US of the past 40 years which is grinding the USA down into a 3rd world country. We've lost what made us unique, however imperfect or flawed we were a country that cared about our workers and making the US a great and encouraging place to work in, with good salaries and social upward mobility. And it's because Congress has allow itself to become bribed and basically bought off by the most corrupt corporations, just like in places like Mexico or Pakistan. This is how a once great country dies, either that or the betrayed citizens and voters take pitchforks and torches to the capital and burn it down in rage, which like we're seeing in Venezuela isn't very pretty either. Congress and the governments had best shape up and remember the American people are their bosses and they serve the needs of American citizens and workers, not corrupt governments overseas using US labor market as safety valve and certainly not corrupt plutocrats putting their own insane greed and arrogant interests over the American people, something like Venezuela can be a lot closer to happening here than they think.
 
Old 08-28-2018, 08:41 PM
 
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Michelle Malkin's book Sold Out targeted a number of visa abuses, including the EB-5 visa, which is abused by Chinese land developers, among others.
yeah someone mentioned her book in another thread, have heard the EB-5 is ridiculous easy to abuse, will check that book out
 
Old 08-28-2018, 09:23 PM
 
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Are these the ones Kushners sister was selling to the Chinese?
 
Old 08-28-2018, 09:26 PM
 
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If Trump goes after visa abuse then the liberal media will bombard us with this evil terrible news 24/7

Libs can't even accept the implementation of a simple travel ban which is still in effect nor the excellent progress ICE is making, so arguing that Trump is not being tough enough on immigration is pretty hilarious.
 
Old 08-28-2018, 09:31 PM
 
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If Trump goes after visa abuse then the liberal media will bombard us with this evil terrible news 24/7

Libs can't even accept the implementation of a simple travel ban which is still in effect nor the excellent progress ICE is making, so arguing that Trump is not being tough enough on immigration is pretty hilarious.
You do know that Trump hires H2B workers for Mar a Largo instead of Americans. He can pay them less.
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