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Reread my post, reread the Federalist papers and Anti-Federalist papers, reread the Constitution, and get back to us. The general welfare clause is NOT about granting the federal government ANY unenumerated powers. The 9th and 10th Amendments are very clear on this.
The President is paid for a job. We can debate how much that job is worth, but it would be foolish to believe that the salary given is a handout.
The feds have the power to coin money. They also have the power to hand out that money in ANY way that they desire.
For what our President does, even the non-monetary compensation is way too much. However, I submit that EVERY government worker is a welfare recipient...and every soldier too. Our money goes to pay THOSE wages, so how is that any different than welfare?
You know, if they'd just pay a LIVING wage to all able bodied men (women should not work outside the home), they wouldn't NEED welfare.
For what our President does, even the non-monetary compensation is way too much. However, I submit that EVERY government worker is a welfare recipient...and every soldier too. Our money goes to pay THOSE wages, so how is that any different than welfare?
You seriously dont see the difference between someone who goes to work providing a service to collect a paycheck, and someone who collects welfare, and thereby receives a check for not providing a service?
If not, please seek either a dictionary, or therapy..
You seriously dont see the difference between someone who goes to work providing a service to collect a paycheck, and someone who collects welfare, and thereby receives a check for not providing a service?
If not, please seek either a dictionary, or therapy..
What "service" do they provide?
It's only of "service" if *I* find it valuable. Take, for instance, TV and movie actors, or sports figures. No interest from me, so why should they get paid large salaries?
I’m in favor of cutting programs but I’d like to start with the right ones first. Let’s start with corporate welfare and that would include the payouts, kickbacks, and exceptions on taxes for the corporate, business and wealthy Americans and companies first. One of the items they are talking about in Washington today is the tax exemption for the OIL industry with their billions of dollars profit and yet they are exempt!
Then lets take those meds from the sick and unhealthy Americans. Next grab the sandwich and food from that kid in school that’s too poor to eat at home and the school meal is the only one he gets that day.
And the tax write offs for the wealthy because they used their private plane to fly on a business/ vacation trip is another good spot to clean up. Or the cost of docking their yacht in Hawaii while on a trip of business and pleasure.
But first let’s take out our oily rag and cleanup the Oil industry tax rip-offs.
..and every soldier too. Our money goes to pay THOSE wages, so how is that any different than welfare?
That is crap! Our brave men and women in uniform are bravely serving theirs, an your, country. They WORK for a small pittance - something you might have difficulty understanding.
They put their lives on the line each and everyday - AND, as a parent of someone who is getting shot at every day - you, yes YOU should show some RESPECT for those in uniform!
You know, if they'd just pay a LIVING wage to all able bodied men (women should not work outside the home), they wouldn't NEED welfare.
Now there is a concept. If half the population stopped working altogether, we would create a huge labor shortage, drive wages through the roof and no government regulation would be needed. I don't care who makes up the half. But if we banded together and created a labor shortage seems we would be doing everyone a big favor! Think of the gains in individual productivity figures! If the moved the jobs out of the country, we would not have any money for us to buy their products anyway.
The point is there a system, we pay for people to be reasonably healthy and educated to fill the jobs to earn the money to buy the products. If a substantial portion of your population opts out of consumerism, the economy fails, so even if you like the idea of starving and cold families, the economies of our cities rely on the money the spend and something would have to replace it and as we have planned unemployment in this country, it cannot be always jobs. Welfare is cyclical also, getting people through the lay off periods etc, but they do not really want the workers moving away, because the work will be back.
BTW I have not had anyone explain the charity system that can deal with all the issues.
It's only of "service" if *I* find it valuable. Take, for instance, TV and movie actors, or sports figures. No interest from me, so why should they get paid large salaries?
Are you serious, or you just posting for the sake of posting?
What service does the military provide?
What service does those who go to work at the government provide? (other then processing paperwork for socialistic programs)
As for tv and movie actors, sports figures, you are not forced to pay them, or forced to support them.. nor do they collect welfare by stealing your money.. off topic.
Are you serious, or you just posting for the sake of posting?
What service does the military provide?
What service does those who go to work at the government provide? (other then processing paperwork for socialistic programs)
As for tv and movie actors, sports figures, you are not forced to pay them, or forced to support them.. nor do they collect welfare by stealing your money.. off topic.
I served in the Navy...I considered my paycheck a "handout". Not only did I get FREE medical care, FREE food, FREE housing...I also got PAID. But did I actually provide a SERVICE, or was my life filled with "busy work", on standby, in case we were actually NEEDED to defend the country, instead of serving our country's political foreign policy?
For your second question, I echo what you say...what DO they do for us? Except trample on our liberties by passing or enforcing rules and regulations?
And the third, even though I personally don't support them, why is their income so much greater than the norm? Is their "service" really THAT valuable? I don't see it.
I’m in favor of cutting programs but I’d like to start with the right ones first. Let’s start with corporate welfare and that would include the payouts, kickbacks, and exceptions on taxes for the corporate, business and wealthy Americans and companies first. One of the items they are talking about in Washington today is the tax exemption for the OIL industry with their billions of dollars profit and yet they are exempt!
Then lets take those meds from the sick and unhealthy Americans. Next grab the sandwich and food from that kid in school that’s too poor to eat at home and the school meal is the only one he gets that day.
And the tax write offs for the wealthy because they used their private plane to fly on a business/ vacation trip is another good spot to clean up. Or the cost of docking their yacht in Hawaii while on a trip of business and pleasure.
But first let’s take out our oily rag and cleanup the Oil industry tax rip-offs.
I'm all for stopping corporate welfare to, but the examples you provided are not corporate welfare.. The Oil industry is far from exempt.. Where did you get that hogwash from?
People collect $100.00 and after taxes they are left with $67.00 on average
Oil companies collect $100 are left with $9.20 on average
Add into that, when that $9.20 goes to the stock holders, it gets further taxed, meaning that about $6 is left.
Add to that, the federal government collects about $.50 per gallon of gas in taxes and one can clearly see by doing the math, that the Oil companies are far from "welfare" status.
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