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Old 08-07-2018, 02:10 PM
 
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Originally Posted by katharsis View Post
Below are some current or recent popular conspiracy theories, but I am NOT asking for any kind of debate on any or all of them. I would just like to know how many of the following you think might have at least some truth to them because I am just curious as to whether most City Data P&OC posters are more skeptical toward conspiracy theorists or toward those whom the theorists accuse (mostly the U.S. government).

1. That the U.S. has intentionally started/created wars with other countries due to power and/or profit motives alone
2. That Franklin D. Roosevelt had advance knowledge of the Pearl Harbor attack but allowed it to happen
3. That the U.S. covered up an alleged Roswell extraterrestrial crash and/or other extraterrestrial encounters
4. That the John F. Kennedy assassination was the result of a conspiracy and not just one man acting alone
5. That men did not land on the moon in 1969
6. That there is a current and active plot among some people in government to make the U.S. something other than what the "founding fathers" intended (Fascist, Socialist, Communist, whatever)
7. That the public school system and/or the mass media are actively and intentionally "dumbing down" many Americans
8. That both the government and the mass media have suppressed the truth about 9/11
9. That the 2012 Sandy Hook shooting either did not happen or was a false flag event
10. That there is a goal to greatly depopulate the world and possibly enslave much of remaining population (Agenda 21/Agenda 2030)

(I personally think that four of the above conspiracy theories are probably or actually true.)

Thanks in advance.

P.S. And, again, it is NOT my intention to start a debate on any of the above theories.
1. That the U.S. has intentionally started/created wars with other countries due to power and/or profit motives alone
- YES.
2. That Franklin D. Roosevelt had advance knowledge of the Pearl Harbor attack but allowed it to happen
- YES.
3. That the U.S. covered up an alleged Roswell extraterrestrial crash and/or other extraterrestrial encounters
- YES.
4. That the John F. Kennedy assassination was the result of a conspiracy and not just one man acting alone
- YES.
5. That men did not land on the moon in 1969
- NO EVIDENCE OF THIS AT ALL. .
6. That there is a current and active plot among some people in government to make the U.S. something other than what the "founding fathers" intended (Fascist, Socialist, Communist, whatever)
- YES.
7. That the public school system and/or the mass media are actively and intentionally "dumbing down" many Americans
- YES. SOMEWHAT TRUE. I'm just saying there are some forces within the U.S. who want this.
8. That both the government and the mass media have suppressed the truth about 9/11
- YES. SOME media have covered it up knowingly. Others just reject it without research.
9. That the 2012 Sandy Hook shooting either did not happen or was a false flag event
- CAN'T SAY, HAVEN'T STUDIED IT.
10. That there is a goal to greatly depopulate the world and possibly enslave much of remaining population (Agenda 21/Agenda 2030)
- COULD BE TRUE BUT IF SO THEY AREN'T GETTING IT DONE. I THINK THERE IS/WAS SUCH AN INTEREST BUT IT IS HARD FOR THEM TO MAKE IT HAPPEN.

You left out the Flat Earth theory, LOL! For the record this is the most ridiculous of all theories and I have a feeling people cooked it up just to make those who believe some of the above to be true, look bad.

 
Old 08-07-2018, 02:11 PM
 
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This is the easiest way to make an ignore list ever!
I am hoping to be ignored by anyone who doesn't believe know that at least 4 of the above are true.
 
Old 08-07-2018, 02:13 PM
 
Location: Long Island
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4 and 6
 
Old 08-07-2018, 02:14 PM
 
Location: Gaston, South Carolina
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There are interesting elements to #3 to where I consider it possible. I don't know if that means there is aliens from outer space visiting us though. I do not believe Oswald acted alone and there is evidence he did not fire a rifle that day. (#4)
 
Old 08-07-2018, 02:15 PM
 
Location: Hougary, Texberta
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The US has started multiple wars in it's own interest, repeatedly.
If FDR didn't know that cutting oil to Japan would result in an attack, he should have. I don't believe he knew exactly where or when it would come though. I'd wager they thought the Philippines would have been first.


I don't own enough foil for the rest. Damn tariffs.
 
Old 08-07-2018, 02:18 PM
 
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Some of these are more plausible than others - for example it's much more plausible that Oswald was part of a multi-person conspiracy than it is that aliens have landed on earth. However, that's not how we should judge the truth of claims. We should judge the truth based on available evidence. No matter how plausible a conspiracy to assassinate Kennedy may seem, the preponderance of evidence points to the idea that Oswald acted alone. Similarly, there's no real evidence favoring any of these other statements, so we should not treat them as if they are true.
If you want to start or maybe there's already a debate on this I would be happy to debate you with facts. However as to whether or not it was a conspiracy he fact is the U.S. Congress investigated many years ago and said it WAS a conspiracy!
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United...Assassinations
 
Old 08-07-2018, 02:20 PM
 
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We know for fact the US has lied about Roswell/aliens in general...

This is from the Dec 2017 NY Times article...

"A 2009 Pentagon briefing summary of the program prepared by its director at the time asserted that “what was considered science fiction is now science fact,” and that the United States was incapable of defending itself against some of the technologies discovered."

This is essentially the US Govt stating they HAVE recovered unknown metals/ materials and HAVE researched them, and came to the conclusion the military would be unable to defend against the technology.

the connotation this carries is...Yes, aliens exist and YES, they have visited earth, and YES, we have recovered alien metal/materials.
I’ve been to Area 51. I didn’t see any aliens, but the nearest community there was the creepiest place I’ve ever been. Those people were flat fecken weird. Also had water corruption issues. We got a notice in our room not to drink the water, nor boil it, but go to the desk for bottled.
 
Old 08-07-2018, 02:21 PM
 
Location: Prepperland
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#10 is no conspiracy.
There are those who desire no more than 500,000,000 world wide. (Per the Georgia Guidestones)
“... Maintain humanity under 500,000,000 in perpetual balance with nature.”
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Georgia_Guidestones

Based on the current 7+ billion population, someone intends a population reduction of 93%. Only one out of every 14 will survive.
 
Old 08-07-2018, 02:25 PM
 
Location: Prepperland
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#6 was accomplished in the 1820s.
Between 1777 and 1820s, American government was occupied by those who pledged their lives, property and sacred honor in service to others.

These civic minded folks had to be
(a) property owners,
(b) tax payers,
(c) obligated to perform militia duty (18-50; currently 17-45), and
(d) held to a higher standard of behavior.

As you can imagine, it was a small subset of the American people, whereas the remainder who did not consent to be governed retained all their endowments.

In the 1820s, most of these strict prerequisites were eliminated, and the transition to the democratic form resulted, with all its attendant corruption and partisan politicking. However, the civic duties and higher standard of behavior still attached to the elected officials, though not rigorously enforced, nor understood by the masses.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_Civil_War
“The great draft riot in New York City in July 1863 involved Irish immigrants who had been signed up as citizens to swell the vote of the city's Democratic political machine, not realizing it made them liable for the draft.”
...
[All male CITIZENS, are liable for militia duty - a surrender of one’s endowed right to life and liberty! Citizenship was and is voluntary in the united States of America.]
 
Old 08-07-2018, 02:29 PM
 
Location: Prepperland
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#7 is no conspiracy, but a fact. If you graph increases in education spending with decreases in test scores they are inversely proportional. Americans are victims of the world's greatest propaganda ministry bar none. More believe what they see in entertainment than what's in the historical records or law books.
Not 1 in 100,000 can accurately define the republican form of government, its origin and source. [No, it's not the USCON.]
Not 1 in 70,000 can discern the difference between a dollar and a dollar bill. [One is a coin, the other is an IOU.]
Not 1 in 50,000 knows that we've been under a state of emergency since 1933, and have bypassed the USCON ever since.
Not 1 in 40,000 knows that national socialism (FICA) is 100% voluntary. No law compels participation. No law punishes nonparticipants. Yet millions 'sign up' for their number and account.


(And I made up the proportions to show how easy it is to sound authoritative.)
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