Marine Accused Of Marching At Charlottesville Rally Kicked Out Of Service (lobby, party)
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So White Nationalists are okay to be in the military as long as they don't join a "radical faction"?
Does the person belong to any group, or associate with any group? Posts any extremists ideologies anywhere, or engages in extremists ideology despite being part of a formal group or not? "White nationalist" has a very vague, and ever changing meaning, to bring it forward, they would need a bit more.
They investigate these things, then make a decision. I have been a party/inside knowledge to a few investigations that went no where, all of them started on nothing but rumors (this was before social media though). Not only white nationalists, but communists and anarchists.
Does the person belong to any group, or associate with any group? Posts any extremists ideologies anywhere, or engages in extremists ideology despite being part of a formal group or not? "White nationalist" has a very vague, and ever changing meaning, to bring it forward, they would need a bit more.
They investigate these things, then make a decision. I have been a party/inside knowledge to a few investigations that went no where, all of them started on nothing but rumors (this was before social media though). Not only white nationalists, but communists and anarchists.
Right. Okay, so, the Jewish religion is a formal group. In fact, they just declared an ethnostate. Which by Western standards is a Far Right act. Moreover, there is overly racist content in their books and belief system. Thus, expression of that belief system is, by definition, an expression of extremist ideology. They are the only racial group in the west, of which I am aware, that regularly suffers from inbreeding diseases. Which is indicative of tight racial coherence. What to do about Jews in the military?
LOL, no it's not, fail a couple **** tests, that simple.
Not at all, still have to get a court martial date which could take several months, lose all rank and money, do 4-6 months of jail time, and get a felony conviction on your record. No one would consider that "easy." It would literally be more easy if you just served.
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Originally Posted by boxus
He has not been in long, of course he is a low rank. It is easy to get booted out, lol.
Not over a march. Hell plenty of marines would go march right now if they could get booted out that easily.
The point is that this marine had other problems. The Marines brass aren't stupid, they're not just going to kick everyone out that easily without other issues.
Right. Okay, so, the Jewish religion is a formal group. In fact, they just declared an ethnostate. Which by Western standards is a Far Right act. Moreover, there is overly racist content in their books and belief system. Thus, expression of that belief system is, by definition, an expression of extremist ideology. They are the only racial group in the west, of which I am aware, that regularly suffers from inbreeding diseases. Which is indicative of tight racial coherence. What to do about Jews in the military?
See how this gets muddled very quickly?
But white nationalist is just a broad, not even well defined label, it is a not a group, a religion or anything. It is no more or less of a label than calling someone an "environmentalist", an "animal lover", or a "peacenik". You can call it an ideology or whatever, but again, it is not well defined and as we even see on CD, gets tossed around a lot.
If this white nationalist became involved in a formal group, or participated in a radical event, then that would elevate, no different than if the Jewish person participated in an extremist event or group.
But again, all of this is subject to evaluation by the military, it is not a black and white matter, they take all the evidence and make a decision, so a lot of subjective evaluation may be involved. Like I said, I have been involved with this stuff when I was in the Navy, and all of it was based off of rumors and stereotypes. For example, a group had a little gun club going, someone decided that was a "radical Nazi group, training to do something". No, they simply enjoyed shooting guns.
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Originally Posted by Rocko20
Not at all, still have to get a court martial date which could take several months, lose all rank and money, do 4-6 months of jail time, and get a felony conviction on your record. No one would consider that "easy." It would literally be more easy if you just served.
Not over a march. Hell plenty of marines would go march right now if they could get booted out that easily.
The point is that this marine had other problems. The Marines brass aren't stupid, they're not just going to kick everyone out that easily without other issues.
Lol, I take you you never served? If not, please do not debate on this subject with those who have served, and know how easy it is to get booted out.
Back when I was in, all a person had to do is go say they were gay, or if they were within their first year, punch out a window and say "they cannot take this anymore" and they were gone. Your "jail time, court martial" are for crimes. You can easily get booted for not committing any crimes, or ones that rise to the level of a court martial and jail time.
This Marine could have easily been booted just over this and nothing more. This was more than just some vague social media postings, this was actual participation and more. An easy case for the military.
There are just numerous ways to get booted, no jail time or nothing.
What makes you think plenty of Marines want out? And if so, take that avenue to do so? Ever occur to you that they are not these white supremacist types, and do not even want to be associated with them in such a manner?
It's an interesting legal conundrum if the government (the marines are an extension of) can fire someone while exercising his 1st amendment rights. I get that while in the military you have to follow special rules but nevertheless he should sue - my guess is this will go all the way to the USSC and be an interesting and precedence setting ruling.
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No, they simply enjoyed shooting guns. 