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Old 08-19-2018, 08:56 AM
 
Location: Heart of the desert lands
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Here's a little information about the owner of the property:

http://www.news-daily.com/features/n...5-fa62ee4e4b05.

Jason Badger, who owns the property in Amalia, N.M., told The Taos News that “he had seen the missing boy on the property more than once,” around the end of January or February. Badger also said that he had seen the other 11 children recovered in the raid, but never saw the three women there.

Badger also said that he and the group had a dispute in January about their setting up camp on his property. When he found out there were children there, Badger said he tried to work out a land swap for some nearby land the group allegedly had bought. But the men at the camp refused, he said, so he filed a complaint with Taos Magistrate Court.

Badger also said he and neighbors repeatedly called law enforcement about the camp, but, “They never returned phone calls. They never did a damn thing about it.” In a press conference livestreamed from Taos Tuesday, Taos County Sheriff Jerry Hogrefe said he had not had probable cause at the time.

It was not until last week, when a Clayton County detective sent Hogrefe’s office a text message thought to be from inside the compound, that local authorities took action. Hogrefe also said in the press conference that Clayton County Police Department and the FBI had been investigating the case for the past two months.

Weak response from the sheriff. "No probable cause" to do what? Return a phone call? A land owner asks you to remove squatters, and you say "no probable cause"?

I bet if the owner tried a self eviction, the sheriff would have gotten involved.
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Old 08-19-2018, 10:45 AM
 
Location: SE corner of the Ozark Redoubt
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Weak response from the sheriff. "No probable cause" to do what? Return a phone call? A land owner asks you to remove squatters, and you say "no probable cause"?

I bet if the owner tried a self eviction, the sheriff would have gotten involved.
The problem is easy to diagnose.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_Me...ional_district
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Old 08-19-2018, 11:17 AM
 
Location: Heart of the desert lands
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Yep.

The sheriff:


"Hogrefe: Unfortunately, it takes time to build a proper case. Time will tell if we did build a proper case, but I can promise you this: Had we have gone on that property based on a consent from an owner that was not an occupant of that property, we would not have valid right to be there and therefore the fruits of the unlawful tree would have come into play and we would have lost anything we could have possibly been able to criminally charge."

WTF? The squatters were not legal occupants. His weak "fruit of the poison tree" rational doesn't apply.







https://edition.cnn.com/2018/08/13/u...out/index.html


The kids death could have been avoided if the sheriff did his job. Seems the sheriff is a political animal himself.


https://sangrechronicle.com/jerry-ho...race-for-dems/
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Old 08-19-2018, 02:15 PM
 
Location: SE corner of the Ozark Redoubt
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Yep.
The sheriff:
"Hogrefe: Unfortunately, it takes time to build a proper case. Time will tell if we did build a proper case, but I can promise you this: Had we have gone on that property based on a consent from an owner that was not an occupant of that property, we would not have valid right to be there and therefore the fruits of the unlawful tree would have come into play and we would have lost anything we could have possibly been able to criminally charge."
WTF? The squatters were not legal occupants. His weak "fruit of the poison tree" rational doesn't apply.
https://edition.cnn.com/2018/08/13/u...out/index.html
The kids death could have been avoided if the sheriff did his job. Seems the sheriff is a political animal himself.
https://sangrechronicle.com/jerry-ho...race-for-dems/
You have barely scratched the surface of what the problem is there.

The area (and state) is so heavily liberal that it is likely squatters have the same rights as legal occupants.
(Think, sanctuary cities, where illegals are treated as legal residents)
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Old 08-26-2018, 11:18 AM
 
Location: deafened by howls of 'racism!!!'
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they were planning to attack a hospital in Atlanta.

https://www.ajc.com/news/crime--law/...wPTSWHkFnVSQO/

"New Mexico compound suspects allegedly planned to attack “corrupt” institutions, including Grady Hospital in Atlanta -- federal prosecutors have new evidence in the case - they want to see a judge's decision that gave all suspects bond revoked. Suspects still in jail."
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Old 08-27-2018, 05:32 PM
 
Location: SE corner of the Ozark Redoubt
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I think they also found that one of them was in the country
on an outdated non-immigrant visa.
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Old 08-29-2018, 01:47 PM
 
Location: deafened by howls of 'racism!!!'
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Judge dismisses all charges against 3 'extremist Muslim' New Mexico compound suspects | Fox News
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District Judge Emilio Chavez on Wednesday dismissed charges against three of the five defendants, ruling that authorities violated the state’s “10-day rule.”

Child abuse charges against Lucas Morton, Subhannah Wahhaj and Hujrah Wahhaj were dropped because prosecutors missed the 10-day limit for an evidentiary hearing to establish probable cause.
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Old 08-29-2018, 04:17 PM
 
Location: SE corner of the Ozark Redoubt
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Prosecutor screwed up. There has to be a limit (I didn't know it was 10 days) so that the government can't just grab someone and lock them up indefinitely, on "pending" charges.
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Old 08-29-2018, 04:19 PM
 
Location: Nantahala National Forest, NC
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Old 08-29-2018, 04:25 PM
 
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Prosecutors messed up - well, that's crooked New Mexico for you. I love and hate that place at the same time.
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