The American Dream is totally dead - explanation and time line (conspiracy, Edwards)

[craigiri]

Originally Posted by phinneas j. whoopee

I suppose when its all done the left will point to its ugly handiwork and find some bizarre rationale to blame the right.
After all greenpeace did just that over the shipbreaking debacle caused by EU activism they were a part of.

Actually, "when it's all done" things will be like now where MANY nuke plants worth of new electric generation is being installed in the USA each year...and worldwide.

Just like "when it's all done" with efficient cars, I have a 47 MPG Honda Accord which is beautiful, reasonable in price and puts out 1/100th of the cars "the right loves"...you know, those that pollute more...

I'll bet you dollars to donuts that the same righties who told us our "freedoms" were being taken away by cutting back on selling 100W incandescent bulbs...now buy the LED models because they are so much more efficient and last longer.

You can take the same in most every sector and the hypocrites fade into the sunset because...no matter how hard they try - they can't bring back cars that put out 100X the pollution.
What is truly amazing is that this seems to upset some of them.

The only explanation is that they were taught they are the only people living on the planet...instead of understand they are 1 of 7 billion plus.

Heck, even the Saudis and Chinese know which way the wind is blowing - only certain American knuckle draggers are fighting for more Coal Rollers...

https://gizmodo.com/report-saudi-ara...-te-1828288394

[Winterfall8324]

Originally Posted by jm1982

Who was forced to live in NYC , in the past or today?

So subsidized housing , rent control and high taxes are capitalist ideals ?

I don’t think anyone has more subsidized housing and rent control than NYC percentage wise .

All the liberal cities with the strongest rent control laws have the highest rents .

Despite being a bad system, NY needs to allow the working class to operate in the city while letting the rich control the economy.

Without it the base system (capitalist rising their home values as capital investment) would not allow the people needed to keep the city running from living there. It is meant to allow the capitalist system to survive, not combat it.

[InformedConsent]

Originally Posted by GotHereQuickAsICould

Automation has brought a lot of those third world labor operations back via restoring.

"Sixty thousand manufacturing jobs were added in the U.S. in 2014, versus 12,000 in 2003, either through so-called reshoring, in which American companies bring jobs back to the U.S., or foreign direct investment, in which foreign companies move production to the U.S., according to a study from the Reshoring Initiative. In contrast, as many as 50,000 jobs were “offshored” last year, a decline from about 150,000 in 2003."

Record number of manufacturing jobs returning to America - MarketWatch

Manufacturers bringing the most jobs back to America

"Manufacturers like Hessaire are part of a growing move to “re-shore” manufacturing jobs that were once lost to countries such as China and Mexico. The Reshoring Initiative, a group that focuses on bringing manufacturing jobs back to the U.S., estimates that between 2009 and 2016 more than 250,000 jobs were created or brought to the U.S. from other countries."

Why some manufacturers are returning to the U.S. | PBS NewsHour

The kicker is that most, if not all, of these jobs are for higher skilled workers. Those who can operate machinery with computers and so forth.

Even mining is being done more and more by automated machinery.

Which means the the low-skilled are out of luck, and their American dream of doing better than their parents remains an elusive goal for many.

Bingo! My oldest child, an engineer, (interned for about $25/hr) over 10 years ago did a few summer stints with a company that manufactures the giant gear mechanisms for wind turbines (the white ones you see off 10 in Cali and 65 in Indiana).

[workingclasshero]

Originally Posted by Freak80

Correct.

It’s not just the Democrats that embraced globalization though; both parties did (and both still do).

globalism is a liberal thing.. a socialist thing


and yes there are liberals in both of the ''major'' parties

[workingclasshero]

Originally Posted by Winterfall8324

Despite being a bad system, NY needs to allow the working class to operate in the city while letting the rich control the economy.

Without it the base system (capitalist rising their home values as capital investment) would not allow the people needed to keep the city running from living there. It is meant to allow the capitalist system to survive, not combat it.

rent control is a socialist/fasict thing...its anti-capitalism
subsidized housingis a socialist/fasict thing...its anti-capitalism
extremely high taxes is a socialist/fasict thing...its anti-capitalism

[workingclasshero]

Originally Posted by Freak80

Balderdash.

Globalism has forced the American consumer to compete with third world labor, which drives down wages. Now the American consumer can only afford poorly-made products produced with slave labor overseas.

The only winners are the financiers that made it all happen and reaped the massive short-term profits from the transition.

correct... the globalism (outsourcing) that the liberals (socialists) pushed have killed the American working spirit

[craigiri]

Originally Posted by workingclasshero

globalism is a liberal thing.. a socialist thing


and yes there are liberals in both of the ''major'' parties

Ah, so the Spaniards, Alexander the Great, the Romans and the Portugese were "liberals"....

I think I get it now. How do I excise 45 years of historical reading out of my brain and learn the stuff like you do? Texas schoolbooks?

Note- the GOP has claimed the mantel - since early in the 20th century - of being the "party of Big Business". "Big Business", just naturally, is global. Where do you think the Bananas came from 100+ years ago? The Sugar? The Coffee? and 100's of other such products.

Most people who "don't know things" are content with staying quiet until they do. You seem content with just spreading the most far-out untruths time and time again.

But the real question for you is....do you know how far-out those rewrites of history are?

"Then Coolidge added his famous quote:

“After all, the chief business of the American people is business. They are profoundly concerned with producing, buying, selling, investing and prospering in the world."

Did he not mean WORLD when he said it? Didn't the Confederacy thrive on exports and imports? I didn't think the Confeds were "liberals".....wasn't slavery "globalism" - most went to sugar and other plantations in the Caribbean.

So all these slaveholders and founders of our country were ALL "socialists"....? Everyone in history was a "socialist"?

[craigiri]

Originally Posted by Freak80

Correct.

It’s not just the Democrats that embraced globalization though; both parties did (and both still do).

Hasn't every successful country in modern history (100's of years..sometimes thousands) embraced globalism?

Please name 10 or so large countries that have not.

[workingclasshero]

Originally Posted by craigiri

Hasn't every successful country in modern history (100's of years..sometimes thousands) embraced globalism?

Please name 10 or so large countries that have not.

you are confusing internationalism...with globalism (lack of trade tariffs)


globalism (so called freetrade) can not work when things are not equal


freetrade is wrong....




you CAN NOT have free (equal) trade if things (taxes, wages, cost of living, lifestyles, life expectancies) are not equal....


freetrade is about globalism (socialism)


someone making $100/week in Mexico is living well... but that would not cut it ANYWHERE in the USA, where the median hourly wage is $25/hr... and yet the liberals push the globalism and outsourcing of USA jobs to the cheaper areas..and then stupidly don't want the equalizing tariffs




the FACT is that nafta (ie free trade) and all of its sisters/brothers which STARTED under carter and CONTINUED since then, to include removing most of the trade TARIFFS is a MAIN cause to the loss of JOBS in the USA

businesses don't want to stay where there are HIGH TAXES (our corporate tax was the 2nd highest IN THE WORLD until this year),,,and if its CHEAPER for them to make the item oversea and will cost them NOTHING to import it, that is what happens


make import tariffs on anything coming into the us...even from us companies like GE (hq'd in CT) that manufactures all their stuff in Mexico/Malaysia...

make the tariffs equal to the inequality of cost of living...make GE using Mexican slave labor of 40/week, pay a tariff equal to having Americans make it for 25/hr(the current median wage)

look at things

we pioneered microwaves...not one is American made anymore
we pioneered tv's............none are American made

what is the number one selling appliance in the usa.......................its not whirlpool...it not GE....its not Maytag(part of whirlpool)...its not jennaire(part of whirlpool)...its not kitchen aid(also part of whirlpool)...its not Hotpoint(part of GE)....its not Electrolux( a. Swedish corp)......its not White-Westinghouse (part of Electrolux).........


its LG....what is LG....LG is Lucky-GOLDSTAR (or as Americans FORMERLY knew it just Goldstar( a LOW BUDGET brand))...a Korean company





even Levi jeans are made overseas.

we lead the steel industry......not anymore
we lead the car industry.....not anymore...people would rather buy a Lexus (over priced Toyota) or a Audi(over priced Volkswagen) than a Lincoln or a cady




raise the tarriffs..raise them high...make it CHEAPER to be made in the usa to the consumer(we buy it)



Reagan stood for the United States maintaining a strong industrial base not only because that translates into good jobs for Americans and an expansion of the middle class. Reagan came from the generation who understood that America’s World War II victory was based on our tremendous manufacturing industry that overnight turned from producing automobiles into military weapons and tractors into tanks.

Reagan signed a Buy America policy for federal highway and transit projects. No way would he have approved building a Keystone XL oil pipeline with steel pipe imported from a Russian-owned mill or a San Francisco-Oakland Bay Bridge assembled from steel sections made in China.

Reagan imposed tariffs on motorcycles to protect Harley-Davidson and on electronic products from Japan. Like Alexander Hamilton and Republican Party policy for many decades, Reagan understood that a strong manufacturing base is a major element of America’s greatness, military superiority and prosperity.


and Trump is trying to bring back that greatness that the liberals offshored


freetrade was started by the GLOBALIST LIBERALS.... started under carter







the globalism of the freaking fasco-socialist liberals needs to stop

here are some quotes from some of the liberal socialist globalist , like Zbigniew Brzezinski



Quote:
"We cannot leap into world government through one quick step.... The precondition for eventual and genuine globalization is progressive regionalization because by that we move toward larger, more stable, more cooperative units."
ZB



Quote:
"This is a form of Socialism known as fascism, and it will be the type of world government the power elite plans ultimately to bring about and control. In this government, the power elite will control politicians who will become government leaders who will promulgate laws, rules and regulations favorable to certain transnational corporations"
ZB




Quote:
"We are on the verge of a global transformation. All we need is the right major crisis...and the nations will accept the New World Order.." David Rockefeller


Quote:
“A world society cannot be haphazard. Since there are no precedents, it cannot be traditional at this stage in its development. It can only be deliberative and experimental, planned and built up with particular objectives......socialist Scott Nearing
Federal Reserve outlining world financial trends :“Successful globalization requires a parallel international process of harmonization of rules, including rules governing the financial system, a process that has been going on largely silently for many years in the central banking community




Richard N. Haass:



Quote:
"In the 21st century, the principle aim of American foreign policy is to integrate other countries and organizations into arrangements that will sustain a world consistent with U.S. interests and values.

"…Integration is about bringing nations together and then building frameworks of cooperation and, where feasible, institutions that reinforce and sustain them even more
Haass should know. Not only is he a member of the Trilateral Commission, he’s the President of the Council on Foreign Relations. In fact, Haass wrote the forward to the CFR report, Building a North American Community.




In December, 1994, at a meeting in Miami, Florida, the Clinton administration launched a program of continental “economic integration,” which was put in motion after “the leaders of 34 countries in the Western Hemisphere pledged…to form a Free Trade Area of the Americas (FTAA).”



Zbigniew Brzezinski described in his policy handbook, The Grand Chessboard –
Quote:

Quote:
the United States will need a hemispherical approach in order to help ensure its “primacy” on the world stage, specifically as economic competition increases from integrated trading blocks around the world

[Freak80]

Originally Posted by craigiri

Hasn't every successful country in modern history (100's of years..sometimes thousands) embraced globalism?

Please name 10 or so large countries that have not.

Name 10 or so large countries that got rich from “free trade” as opposed to mercantilism.

Obviously there has always been global trade, but the western world became rich via ruthless mercantilism. Mercantilism made sure that the western world would have the factories (and thus the technology and capital), while the rest of the world would be reduced to being “markets” for the finished goods and/or suppliers of the raw materials. Why do you think that India remained dirt poor while the U.K. became the world’s #1 empire?

Today, the Chinese are doing the same thing (mercantilism) and it’s working very well for them, at the expense of places with “free trade” policies like the USA. We Americans are merely a market for Chinese goods and a supplier of raw materials. Once our resources are milked dry, we will become like every other non-industrialized country: dirt poor. We will have nothing to give the Chinese in exchange for their finished goods.