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Old 08-12-2018, 12:49 AM
 
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1. most of us New Yorker know bloomy is an idiot

2. the American dream lives... and most people are successful in life... the only failures are liberals and their need for participation trophies
He may be an idiot re some issues (soft drinks and guns), but idiots don't create the 13th highest net worth in the world on their own. As an NYC metro resident, can you honestly say that Bloomberg didn't do a decent job running the city?
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Old 08-12-2018, 06:51 AM
 
Location: the very edge of the continent
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There is a reason for THAT also...and a reason for that reason before it.

All in all it points to our lack of investment in our children and ourselves, tho...we prayed at the altar of the Almighty Dollar instead of the Almighty Fellow Americans.
No, it doesn't. The US spends among the most in the world on education. We just have a really crappy public education system. No controls. No checks and balances. In most cases. no way to opt out or choose better. Crappy teachers have tenure. Kids are trapped in neighborhood schools unless their parents have enough money to buy their kids' way out of the idiocracy trap. Dems oppose school vouchers because that would give everyone a choice or a chance at better. Can't have that, you know. Have to keep as many people as dumbed-down and poor as possible because such persons overwhelmingly vote Dem, and Dems can't win elections without their votes. Teachers get guaranteed jobs, so their unions give 94% of their political donations to Dems in payback.

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Now we are reaping the rewards.
You BET we are. For ALL of the above. It's absolutely sickening!

What am I talking about when I say those dependent on government handouts overwhelmingly vote Dem? Dem voters are 2/3 of those on public assistance:

Are Welfare Recipients Mostly Republican or Democrat? - Tino Sanandaji, PhD

Chart, Democrats:

https://tino.us/wp-content/uploads/2...-1-695x632.png

Author's credentials:
PhD in Public Policy from the University of Chicago
MA in Economics from the University of Chicago
MSc from Stockholm School of Economics

Other info from the link:

Share of Recipients of each program that identified as supporters of the Republican party:

Gov. Subsidized Housing 12%
Medicaid: 16%
Food Stamps: 20%
Unemployment Compensation: 21%
Welfare or public assistance: 22%
Disability benefits from government 25% (compared to 64% Democrats)

Data source:
https://www.maxwell.syr.edu/campbell/programs/Merged_Data_Set

Now that Dem voters understand that you're supporting the maintenance and growth of a perpetually poor and welfare-programs dependent underclass that MUST be kept poor in order to keep most of them voting Dem, will they all still go along with that?

Get a clue, Dems... Why do you think liberals are SO on board with "open borders" that keep low-end wages depressed? Doing so guarantees their voter base.
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Old 08-12-2018, 07:15 AM
 
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Poor me. We're all victims. Life is so unfair! Waaaaaaahhhhhhhhh!!!

I guess the point is Leftists are all pessimists, and losers, huh?
A lot of them are. Dem voters weigh very heavily towards the poor (I just posted on that), who are of course not poor because of their life and financial decisions. It's always someone else's fault.

Even idiotic liberals with PhDs are on public assistance. Why? Extremely bad college major and degree program decision-making.

https://www.nbcnews.com/feature/in-p...stamps-n336596
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Old 08-12-2018, 07:29 AM
 
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Clearly, Obama benefited from the policies of GWB for 8 years. Now, President Trump has taken the torch and is marching forward to make America great again. And yes, all the bad things that happened from 2000 to 2008 were carryovers from the Clinton administration.
Yep. Here's HUD's Cuomo in the 1990s (Clinton Admin):
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"Housing and Urban Development Secretary Andrew Cuomo today announced a policy to require the nation's two largest housing finance companies to buy $2.4 trillion in mortgages over the next 10 years to provide affordable housing for about 28.1 million low- and moderate-income families."
https://archives.hud.gov/news/1999/pr99-131.html

Then what happened after the 2008 financial crisis? The Federal Reserve created $2 trillion in QE out of thin air to specifically buy only GSE MBS. Coincidence? Um... NO!!!

The Federal Reserve's Agency (Agency = GSE: Fannie and Freddie) MBS (Mortgage-Backed Securities) in 2008: $0
FRB: H.4.1 Release--Factors Affecting Reserve Balances--December 4, 2008

The Federal Reserve's current Agency (GSE: Fannie and Freddie) MBS: $1.71 Trillion
https://www.federalreserve.gov/releases/h41/current/

Oh, and just for grins... Tens of thousands of mortgage borrowers, if not more, will get their homes for free as this all continues to play out and their mortgage debt just rolls off the Federal Reserves H.4.1, unpaid... You see, the Federal Reserve doesn't have to recognize or state losses. It just merely erases them from their H.4.1. But that $2 trillion in created QE was pumped into the economy and artificially devalued the US$. That's why American households' buying power remains stagnant.

https://www.nytimes.com/2015/03/30/b...k-expires.html
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Old 08-12-2018, 07:37 AM
 
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I find that very strange actually, so many threads and posts where people are talking about how much they believe he is corrupt and even criminal, but then 'talk' is all they do about it?!

Why arent they gathering and trying to remove this govt from power if this is what they truly believe? The Constitution permits it if such a govt is ever in power, Id bet majority of them are very obedient and compliant people (what does that say about them! LOL)

Look at the American Revolution, it started as a small group of people upset at a tyrannical govt in power, did they just whine and complain about it...No, they picked up rifles and torches and took to the streets, they were disobedient, they destroyed private property, they resorted to violence, etc etc...but these people are celebrated as patriots today for these things.

What are they going to say about 'patriots' in our time, when they came up against a tyrannical govt...they whined and complained on the internet, they blogged about it, they talked to their friends, etc, but they were not willing to do any more than that, or do anything that may be too risky...I doubt they will go down in history as patriots!
You got it. Americans were beaten down long ago. Americans are just a herd now.

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Old 08-12-2018, 07:44 AM
 
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This is a good article for those who actually seek to understand what is going on.

ALL faith has been lost.....9/11 may have taken some of the wind out of the sails, but the Wall Street Great Recession sank the boat....and not only have we not recovered, but probably will not in any reasonable time frame.

It's not Trumps fault. He's just overseeing the final offing of the wounded soldiers on the battlefield....or, as the article put it, "Trump’s nationalistic right-wing populism, which scapegoats immigrants and minorities to deflect rage from Cohn and his fellow profiteers, is nothing new"....

Good article for those who have some sanity and can understand words and the bigger picture...

Discontent can be harvested....for positive or for negative. In Trumps' care he does not have any experience in the former...so chose the easier path, the time-honored scapegoating we've seen at many times in history (ours and others)....
This is why Trump was elected. Understand the left talks about income inequality, but they never really pinpoint who's been hurt precisely, likely because they despise these people.

Who's had their money transferred to the 1%? Who's been hurt most by the Main St to Wall St transfer of US wealth? It's the working class. What made America so great was that people in the working class, with HS diplomas, could get jobs at auto factories if they lived in Michigan, steel plants in Pennsylvania and Ohio, coal mining in West Virginia, textile factories in the Carolinas, oil fields in Oklahoma and Texas, etc. These were career jobs, union jobs, with health care, paid vacations, pensions, etc. A man could raise a family on these jobs. He could buy a humble home, a car, send his kids to college, etc. It was the American dream. Upward mobility.

The trade deals like NAFTA, along with the coordinated fairy tale that we needed to abandon our nationalist thinking & economy, in favor of the 'integrated global economy', is what hurt the American dream.

Trump promised to bring those jobs back to America. He promised to fight for 'America 1st' rather than the greater good of the 'integrated global economy' and he has! The working class has seen almost a million blue collar jobs come back to the US in the past 18 months, wages have risen for the working class specifically, tax cuts allow them to keep more money every week (for those living check-to-check, this matters. A concept the upper middle class can't grasp).

The TPP is dead, NAFTA is dead (just hasn't been announced yet). We're renegotiating all our trade deals to the betterment of the country and American worker. If you want to reduce income inequality, poverty, crime, the education gap, racism, etc. You should support Trump, because the solution is not SJW twitter rants, the solution is good paying jobs that allow a person without a college degree to earn a good living and be part of the American dream.
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Old 08-12-2018, 07:58 AM
 
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This is why Trump was elected. Understand the left talks about income inequality, but they never really pinpoint who's been hurt precisely, likely because they despise these people.

Who's had their money transferred to the 1%? Who's been hurt most by the Main St to Wall St transfer of US wealth? It's the working class. What made America so great was that people in the working class, with HS diplomas, could get jobs at auto factories if they lived in Michigan, steel plants in Pennsylvania and Ohio, coal mining in West Virginia, textile factories in the Carolinas, oil fields in Oklahoma and Texas, etc. These were career jobs, union jobs, with health care, paid vacations, pensions, etc. A man could raise a family on these jobs. He could buy a humble home, a car, send his kids to college, etc. It was the American dream. Upward mobility.

The trade deals like NAFTA, along with the coordinated fairy tale that we needed to abandon our nationalist thinking & economy, in favor of the 'integrated global economy', is what hurt the American dream.

Trump promised to bring those jobs back to America. He promised to fight for 'America 1st' rather than the greater good of the 'integrated global economy' and he has! The working class has seen almost a million blue collar jobs come back to the US in the past 18 months, wages have risen for the working class specifically, tax cuts allow them to keep more money every week (for those living check-to-check, this matters. A concept the upper middle class can't grasp).

The TPP is dead, NAFTA is dead (just hasn't been announced yet). We're renegotiating all our trade deals to the betterment of the country and American worker. If you want to reduce income inequality, poverty, crime, the education gap, racism, etc. You should support Trump, because the solution is not SJW twitter rants, the solution is good paying jobs that allow a person without a college degree to earn a good living and be part of the American dream.
Yeah exactly . The problem is that Democrat politicians like Hillary Clinton became totally out of touch with the people affected by these policies . Of course NAFTA was from the Clinton era . The liberal controlled media is in bed with the Democrats so of course they never connect the dots for people and explain how these policies have actually resulted in a negative for millions of Americans

It’s been a total distraction since Trump has been elected and all the focus is on trying to claim Trump is a racist instead of any of the things he’s actually doing to make the country better .
Many have been trained to believe “news” outlets like CNN are giving them the news but it’s really just propaganda.
Many people lack critical thinking skills .
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Old 08-12-2018, 08:00 AM
 
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The American dream means economic opportunity and mobility, with each generation achieving a better standard of living than the one before.

For many Americans, this is no longer a realistic possibility.

The high-paying, low-skilled jobs in manufacturing, mining, etc. are dwindling. Automation is playing a huge part here. Increasingly, decent-paying jobs involve higher levels of skills and education, something that many are simply not capable of.

Just spent some time in a rural area of the country. Teachers told me that the majority of students were not motivated to even attend school, let alone excel as they don't see the point.

Their parents work at various labor and retail jobs and they expect to do the same. The holy grail is a disability check.

In areas where people send their children to charter and private schools, and have college tuition funds earning interest, there is,, of course the dream of upward mobility. How much higher they will get than their parents is anybody's guess.

But for a great many Americans, a good paying job with health insurance and a pension is just not in the cards and they know it.
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Old 08-12-2018, 08:02 AM
 
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This is why Trump was elected. Understand the left talks about income inequality, but they never really pinpoint who's been hurt precisely, likely because they despise these people.
No, it's because they need their votes. I've posted enugh info for people to understand what's going on.
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Who's had their money transferred to the 1%?
Only the idiots who think they can't live without those companies' products/services. See how that works?
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The trade deals like NAFTA, along with the coordinated fairy tale that we needed to abandon our nationalist thinking & economy, in favor of the 'integrated global economy', is what hurt the American dream.
Agree.
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Trump promised to bring those jobs back to America. He promised to fight for 'America 1st' rather than the greater good of the 'integrated global economy' and he has! The working class has seen almost a million blue collar jobs come back to the US in the past 18 months, wages have risen for the working class specifically, tax cuts allow them to keep more money every week (for those living check-to-check, this matters. A concept the upper middle class can't grasp).

The TPP is dead, NAFTA is dead (just hasn't been announced yet). We're renegotiating all our trade deals to the betterment of the country and American worker. If you want to reduce income inequality, poverty, crime, the education gap, racism, etc. You should support Trump, because the solution is not SJW twitter rants, the solution is good paying jobs that allow a person without a college degree to earn a good living and be part of the American dream.
Well said!
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Old 08-12-2018, 08:04 AM
 
Location: Los Angeles (Native)
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No, it doesn't. The US spends among the most in the world on education. We just have a really crappy public education system. No controls. No checks and balances. In most cases. no way to opt out or choose better. Crappy teachers have tenure. Kids are trapped in neighborhood schools unless their parents have enough money to buy their kids' way out of the idiocracy trap. Dems oppose school vouchers because that would give everyone a choice or a chance at better. Can't have that, you know. Have to keep as many people as dumbed-down and poor as possible because such persons overwhelmingly vote Dem, and Dems can't win elections without their votes. Teachers get guaranteed jobs, so their unions give 94% of their political donations to Dems in payback.

You BET we are. For ALL of the above. It's absolutely sickening!

What am I talking about when I say those dependent on government handouts overwhelmingly vote Dem? Dem voters are 2/3 of those on public assistance:

Are Welfare Recipients Mostly Republican or Democrat? - Tino Sanandaji, PhD

Chart, Democrats:

https://tino.us/wp-content/uploads/2...-1-695x632.png

Author's credentials:
PhD in Public Policy from the University of Chicago
MA in Economics from the University of Chicago
MSc from Stockholm School of Economics

Other info from the link:

Share of Recipients of each program that identified as supporters of the Republican party:

Gov. Subsidized Housing 12%
Medicaid: 16%
Food Stamps: 20%
Unemployment Compensation: 21%
Welfare or public assistance: 22%
Disability benefits from government 25% (compared to 64% Democrats)

Data source:
https://www.maxwell.syr.edu/campbell/programs/Merged_Data_Set

Now that Dem voters understand that you're supporting the maintenance and growth of a perpetually poor and welfare-programs dependent underclass that MUST be kept poor in order to keep most of them voting Dem, will they all still go along with that?

Get a clue, Dems... Why do you think liberals are SO on board with "open borders" that keep low-end wages depressed? Doing so guarantees their voter base.
Yes we spend a fortune and have terrible results . The entire public education system needs to be overhauled .
In L.A in LAUSD there is a lot of corruption and it’s more about administrators and superintendents keeping their cushy jobs than anything else .

Swamp needs to be drained but unlikely in L.A

Some examples
Ref Rodriguez, facing criminal charges, resigns as L.A. school board president

https://www.citywatchla.com/index.ph...fter-six-years
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