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Old 08-12-2018, 12:23 PM
 
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^^^^^ Not only that, as I've posted before, Hillary won the 'people making under 30K per year vote' (and also 30,000-49,999) and Trump won the 'people making 50k per year and above vote' (including every step up/increase on that ladder above 50k) :

https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/...xit-polls.html
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Old 08-12-2018, 12:40 PM
 
Location: Los Angeles (Native)
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The city started its”’s downward trend when it forced residents to live under the control of land lords and corrupt business officials in the 1800s. Today it is a pillar to the authoritarian nature of capitalism.
Who was forced to live in NYC , in the past or today?

So subsidized housing , rent control and high taxes are capitalist ideals ?

I don’t think anyone has more subsidized housing and rent control than NYC percentage wise .

All the liberal cities with the strongest rent control laws have the highest rents .
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Old 08-12-2018, 01:05 PM
 
Location: the very edge of the continent
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Ah, so food stamp use increased in the years after the Great Recession?
Yes. Obama was a joke as POTUS. Everyone knows that.

Take another look (I posted the info) on how the unemployed and those who don't support themselves vote... overwhelmingly Dem.
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Old 08-12-2018, 01:19 PM
 
Location: Los Angeles (Native)
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Yes. Obama was a joke as POTUS. Everyone knows that.

Take another look (I posted the info) on how the unemployed and those who don't support themselves vote... overwhelmingly Dem.
*Mic Drop*
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Old 08-12-2018, 02:41 PM
 
Location: USA
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Globalism has greatly benefitted the American consumer. Ricardo's Theory of Comparative Advantage still rings true.
Balderdash.

Globalism has forced the American consumer to compete with third world labor, which drives down wages. Now the American consumer can only afford poorly-made products produced with slave labor overseas.

The only winners are the financiers that made it all happen and reaped the massive short-term profits from the transition.
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Old 08-12-2018, 02:46 PM
 
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Automation has brought a lot of those third world labor operations back via restoring.

"Sixty thousand manufacturing jobs were added in the U.S. in 2014, versus 12,000 in 2003, either through so-called reshoring, in which American companies bring jobs back to the U.S., or foreign direct investment, in which foreign companies move production to the U.S., according to a study from the Reshoring Initiative. In contrast, as many as 50,000 jobs were “offshored” last year, a decline from about 150,000 in 2003."

Record number of manufacturing jobs returning to America - MarketWatch

Manufacturers bringing the most jobs back to America

"Manufacturers like Hessaire are part of a growing move to “re-shore” manufacturing jobs that were once lost to countries such as China and Mexico. The Reshoring Initiative, a group that focuses on bringing manufacturing jobs back to the U.S., estimates that between 2009 and 2016 more than 250,000 jobs were created or brought to the U.S. from other countries."

Why some manufacturers are returning to the U.S. | PBS NewsHour

The kicker is that most, if not all, of these jobs are for higher skilled workers. Those who can operate machinery with computers and so forth.

Even mining is being done more and more by automated machinery.

Which means the the low-skilled are out of luck, and their American dream of doing better than their parents remains an elusive goal for many.
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Old 08-12-2018, 03:41 PM
 
Location: Ohio
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ALL faith has been lost.....9/11 may have taken some of the wind out of the sails, but the Wall Street Great Recession sank the boat....and not only have we not recovered, but probably will not in any reasonable time frame.
If you can't deal with China and Vietnam moving into the 2nd Level Economy, what are you going to do when India does?

When Central Asia does?

When sub-Saharan Africa does?

50% of world's population have never made or received a phone call, and 2.5 Billion don't even have electricity.

What do you think will happen when they get electricity? Did you think they'd all sit around an electrical outlet and marvel at it in awe? No, they'll be consuming washers, dryers, dishwashers, hot water heaters and kitchen ranges, and they'll be buying them from China, Vietnam or India, or making those items themselves, and not buying anything from you.

Ndela in Sierra Leone earns the minimum wage of $0.28/hour. Her wages will double about every 10 years for the next 40-50 years as her country transitions from a 1st Level Economy into the 2nd Level.

You think a US union worker making $50/hour is going to compete against her, making $4.50/hour?

The Chinese Middle Class is bigger than the entire US population. So is the Indian Middle Class and so will be the Middle Class in sub-Saharan Africa.

If they consume even 5% of what Americans consume, and Americans consume 30% of all the world's non-oil resources, they'll be consuming 60% of the non-oil resources.

Prices are going to rise due to Demand-pull Inflation.

What are you going to do, bomb them?

Good luck with that.
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Old 08-12-2018, 04:22 PM
 
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The American dream has a definition and I don't think it includes:

More suicides
More opiate addicted people
Stable or lowering life spans
Obesity epidemics
Mass Shootings which set new records - often of CHILDREN in their schools.
and the like...

You can try to make it fuzzy, but there are ways to measure happiness - which is really the basis of the American Dream. Some of it is lack of stress....not possible when medical bankruptcies are soaring and people have student debt for a large part of their lives.

Are you sure yours is different? Is it sustainable and good for the country, world and people involved in it.

I lived my American Dream - no complaints. But I don't close my eyes to what is around me. If the American Dream involves scapegoating others who don't look or speak like white people...well, then, Trump HAS given it back to many. But I thought it involved prosperity and happiness and clean air and water....and blessings to our posterity.
In southern california unchecked illegal immigration has destroyed any semblance of an american dream. They overpopulated their world and now have hrought it here. They reduced every blue collar job to minimum wage, lowered the quality of education while causing property taxes to soar trying to stave that off when every kindergarten class speaks less and less english. The parents cannot even assist in their education due to utter disregard of the english language.Reverse discrimination is rampant because businesses cannot afford to ignore the growing spanish speaking population. Jobs in whole sections of industry such as construction landscaping and house cleaning exclude whites because they could not communicate with co workers and often even management.
Homelessness skyrocketed because we compete with them for low cost housing and they broke the social services net citizens depended upon.
Having spent 38 years at the frontline so to speak in San Diego I find your rhetoric about speaking like white people downright offensive and detached from reality. I grew up going to public schools in the bay area in the late 60s, racism was taboo and I have had many american born hispanic friends in my life. To the last one each felt the same as me about illegal immigrants, they come here to take with primal mentality, the assets of a society built by those with a higher level of intellect and civility. Our country is like Oz, a shining city of opportunity to them, lets not forget it is what it is because of laws and rules not people succumbing to primal urges-taking things because they see them and want them.
I was born in the state of California do not tell me I am racist because I am tired of seeing it swallowed up resembling the cesspool that is Tijuana by those who were not.
It seems the political discourse on the national level is permeated by detached liberals living a thousand miles or more from the border who instantly drop the race card and encourage everyone to embrace diversity just so they can finally get authentic mexican food in their town and a ready supply of cheap labor to mow their lawns.
I would recommend a tour of Tijuana for them. It aint pretty unless your idea of a beautiful city is a shantytown of a million, restrooms you dont feel safe using without a hazmat suit, donkey shows and hookers in every hotel, and a population welcome to you only to extract your dollars, and the only river in the city filled with raw sewage and a half million lead acid car batteries.
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Old 08-12-2018, 04:32 PM
 
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If you can't deal with China and Vietnam moving into the 2nd Level Economy, what are you going to do when India does?

When Central Asia does?

When sub-Saharan Africa does?

50% of world's population have never made or received a phone call, and 2.5 Billion don't even have electricity.

What do you think will happen when they get electricity? Did you think they'd all sit around an electrical outlet and marvel at it in awe? No, they'll be consuming washers, dryers, dishwashers, hot water heaters and kitchen ranges, and they'll be buying them from China, Vietnam or India, or making those items themselves, and not buying anything from you.

Ndela in Sierra Leone earns the minimum wage of $0.28/hour. Her wages will double about every 10 years for the next 40-50 years as her country transitions from a 1st Level Economy into the 2nd Level.

You think a US union worker making $50/hour is going to compete against her, making $4.50/hour?

The Chinese Middle Class is bigger than the entire US population. So is the Indian Middle Class and so will be the Middle Class in sub-Saharan Africa.

If they consume even 5% of what Americans consume, and Americans consume 30% of all the world's non-oil resources, they'll be consuming 60% of the non-oil resources.

Prices are going to rise due to Demand-pull Inflation.

What are you going to do, bomb them?

Good luck with that.
This is the folly of trying to mitigate climate change with programs that are just thinly veiled global socialism proved by their rhetoric of "climate justice" and "carbon equity".
Jobs disappeared as american factories closed here, replaced overseas with facilities lacking the most basic environmental controls.
The result of Kyoto protocol and every other scheme meant to punish industrialized nations has been an increase in global GGE.
I suppose when its all done the left will point to its ugly handiwork and find some bizarre rationale to blame the right.
After all greenpeace did just that over the shipbreaking debacle caused by EU activism they were a part of.
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Old 08-12-2018, 04:44 PM
 
Location: USA
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The American Dream is dead when Bill Clinton and the Democrats pushed for globalization. We were the undisputed and far away the wealthiest country in the world in the 80's. By the time Clinton was through, China and Mexico was catching up with us using our manufacturing expertise and technology against us. Eight years of Obama put us further in a disadvantage.

Thankfully Trump is the first to try to reverse all the damage but he has a lot of work cut out for him due to 16 years of Democrats selling out the country plus 8 years of Bush doing nothing.
Correct.

It’s not just the Democrats that embraced globalization though; both parties did (and both still do).
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