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Old 08-09-2018, 08:38 PM
 
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Trumpís deal with the devil is really the best of the bunch.
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Old 08-09-2018, 09:28 PM
 
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There is no deal. NK is busy beefing up their program and treating Pompeo like a whipped dog.
As far as I can tell, the only deal made was to continue talking about making a deal at some time in the future.

But given the way Pompeo is being treated, even that seems but a distant dream.
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Old 08-09-2018, 09:47 PM
 
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Trump has no NK Deal.
Obama WINS again...even out of office.
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Old 08-09-2018, 09:57 PM
 
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Iím asking because the putative ďworldís greatest negotiatorĒ is our president, right?

So since right wingers say that Obama couldnít negotiate his way out of a wet paper bag, who got the better deal?
Truly, an apples to oranges comparison (which I'm sure you know)

Pres. Obama (the real President) also had a real negotiated deal with Iran, one that had multiple conditions that they had to meet, and it was negotiated in concert with our European allies.

Trump (the fake President) has no deal, never had a deal, and posed for a photo op and said we didn't have to worry about North Korea's nuclear weapons any more. The man is a complete moron.
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Old 08-09-2018, 10:03 PM
 
Location: Phoenix, AZ
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Truly, an apples to oranges comparison (which I'm sure you know)

Pres. Obama (the real President) also had a real negotiated deal with Iran, one that had multiple conditions that they had to meet, and it was negotiated in concert with our European allies.

Trump (the fake President) has no deal, never had a deal, and posed for a photo op and said we didn't have to worry about North Korea's nuclear weapons any more. The man is a complete moron.
Tell me about how Giggles the socialist clown Obama came out on top again? What did the US get out of the deal?
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Old 08-09-2018, 10:05 PM
 
Location: California
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Mmm-hm. As long as you ignore that there's more binding paperwork involved in purchasing a used Toyota Corolla, I guess that's an agreement. Of sorts.
Denuclearization... I suggest you look up the definition of that word because there is no possible way to misinterpret it.

denuclearize
[dee-noo-klee-uh-rahyz, -nyoo- or, by metathesis, -kyuh-luh-]
verb (used with object), de∑nu∑cle∑ar∑ized, de∑nu∑cle∑ar∑iz∑ing.
to remove nuclear weapons from (a country, region, etc.).
to prohibit the deployment or construction of nuclear weapons in (a country, region, etc.).


If Kim agreed to that, which he formally did, via signature, at the summit, then he has put himself on record as literally agreeing to remove nuclear weapons from his country, and we can hold him accountable for it.
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Old 08-09-2018, 10:17 PM
 
Location: Chicago area
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Hmmm The npr article seems to indicate that Trump made a major concession by saying rhat he wanted to end the joint war games with S.K. Calling them provocative seems like a major concession and a huge nod to Kim. Signing a piece of paper with no timeline to denuclearize is what? Nobel worthy? Not quite. It's been a pattern with North Korea to promise the moon, take what they can get, and reverse course. Do you remember when Kim criticized the U.S. post the summit as "Gangster like and cancerous" rejecting Pompeo's assessment? Then there's the new intelligence report about North Korea increasing nuclear production at secret sites. Seriously, do some research. You can believe Trump's hyperbolic lies or you can accept the fact that dotard got rolled by little rocket man.



The Iran deal? Didn't Trump's U.S. secretary of defense James Mattis oppose Trump pulling out of the deal? Yes. Are our European allies sticking with the deal? Yes. Was it a perfectly executed deal? No. It was sketchy. Does it trump Trump's N.K. non deal? In my opinion, yes. Well at least Trump got some remains returned, but I'm sure Kim is laughing at him.
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Old 08-10-2018, 12:20 AM
 
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So, as many have already said...the OPs thread title is a lie....but why could or would we expect anything different?


The irna deal is set in stone....or was....anyway, but I'm curious, why does the OP support iran?
Am I supposed to have something against Iran? What did they ever do to us that we didnít do to them?

Iíve got nothing against Iran.
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Old 08-10-2018, 09:52 AM
 
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If Kim agreed to that, which he formally did, via signature, at the summit, then he has put himself on record as literally agreeing to remove nuclear weapons from his country, and we can hold him accountable for it.
Naivete is charming in 5-year-olds, not in international agreements.

What's the agreement on civilian nuclear installations?
What's the agreement on nuclear research?
Materials research with nuclear applications?
R&D without deployment?
Nuclear delivery technology - is it covered or not?
Who's the arbiter? - do you imagine that the slip of paper grants the US the authority to decide when the peninsula is "denuclearized"? Because it sure as all out isn't spelled out.

And, of course, the elephant in the room: When does North Korea get to inspect South Korea and US installations there? After all, the US has agreed to "denuclearization" of the entire peninsula.

This is nothing but a nice declaration of intent.

Vagueness does not eliminate loopholes, it creates them. We had to create what amounts to an entirely new language to spell out specifics in binding agreements.
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Old 08-10-2018, 10:18 AM
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Location: By the sea, by the sea, by the beautiful sea
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Question: is Trumpís North Korea deal better than Obamaís Iran deal?


WHAT North Korean deal? Was there actually any signed agreement or just talk of talking again?
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