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Old 08-10-2018, 05:01 AM
 
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Old 08-10-2018, 05:04 AM
 
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Leaving the left, means joining - what?

* The party that wants to turn America into a fortress, literally and figuratively?

* The party that thinks that international institutions are something between a sham and tyranny?

* The party that believes that trade is a zero-sum game?

* The party that thinks that science is a bunch of political claptrap, and that "elites" are corrupt and mendacious charlatans?

You have been "Grubbered"!
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Old 08-10-2018, 05:38 AM
 
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This.

The problem is where do they go.

The GOP has the same thing from 2 different angles.

Those traditional main street businessman GOP who left in face of the shift to helping billionaires and the true fiscal conservative horrified at current spending.
Both parties have been helping billionaires for a generation now at least. Never Trumpers on the GOP side want their cheap labor coming over the southern border and through the H1B program, not to mention the lopsided trade deals that screw the country but that they've learned to profit from.
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Old 08-10-2018, 06:20 AM
 
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Run to what? People who think I am all of the things you just said, simply because I think we need to protect the environment and believe health care is a right? No thanks. I'll work within my own party until you offer a better alternative.
Run to what?
I ran to independent/unaffiliated.
I believe it’s the best way to show BOTH parties we are sick of their corruption, hyperpartisanship, laziness, incompetence, and greed.
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Old 08-10-2018, 06:42 AM
 
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Run to what?
I ran to independent/unaffiliated.
I believe it’s the best way to show BOTH parties we are sick of their corruption, hyperpartisanship, laziness, incompetence, and greed.
So did I. My family has been GOP at least since 1915 or so. My father still is. I left figuratively in 2010 and officially in 2016.

The problem is the next president and the one after WILL be a Dem or GOP.
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Old 08-10-2018, 06:44 AM
 
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It is so bizarre to me how Americans talk about political affiliation as though it were religion.
I am an Independent solely because I refuse to be a sheep of the Left or Right. I may lean left, but that's about it, and am open to both sides.
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Old 08-10-2018, 08:01 AM
 
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Leaving the left, means joining - what?

* The party that wants to turn America into a fortress, literally and figuratively?

* The party that thinks that international institutions are something between a sham and tyranny?

* The party that believes that trade is a zero-sum game?

* The party that thinks that science is a bunch of political claptrap, and that "elites" are corrupt and mendacious charlatans?
Who knows, but they surely know they are leaving the party of:


* Illegals over citizens
* Socialism over Capitalism
* Tax breaks are bad
* Jobs are bad
* Supporting violent fascist groups
* Want to over turn a legal election
* weaponizes the intel agencies against political opponents
* Completely bat**** crazy politicians




You get the picture.
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Old 08-10-2018, 08:22 AM
 
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no one wants socialism.

What people want is Mixed Market Capitalism with stronger systematic safe guards and safety nets

The problem is that we have caved to simply calling it socialism because one side doesnt care what you call it and the other side wants to degrade anyone who thinks differently than them.

in the same context, I have seen my conservative Southern friends embrace "nationalism", LOL
"Free" healthcare, "free" college and guaranteed minimum income are most certainly socialism. And what the new sweethearts in the party are calling for.

And I will degrade anyone who thinks it's OK to steal my money, by force, to give to someone else that is able-bodied but has made a choice to earn less than they can live on.
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Old 08-10-2018, 09:04 AM
 
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It is so bizarre to me how Americans talk about political affiliation as though it were religion.
YES.

I find it disturbing that Americans pigeon hole themselves -- on both sides.

I like some Republican policies, I like some Democratic policies.
There are Republicans I support, even though I don't agree with all of their policies.
There are Democrats I support, even though I don't agree with all of their policies.

I was told that sitting in the middle of the road would get me killed. (that was the big insult because I haven't pledged allegiance to a party).

And yes before some of you get all excited -- I HATE Trump -- not because he's a Republican though. I think he is one of the most self centered, immoral, obnoxious, self-serving individuals ever -- and have felt that for 30 years.
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