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Old 08-11-2018, 10:20 AM
 
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Originally Posted by rstevens62 View Post
If he really wants to ensure people start over with a clean slate once their debt to society has been paid, they need to create a law against pre-employment background checks, and also do away with BG checks for apartment rentals, and other things.

BG checks are whats keeping alot of people in the criminal lifestyle.
Nope. Employers landlords etc, should be able to ask questions about the past of a prospective employee/tenant and vis versa.
We just need to stop making everyone a criminal where there was no crime committed.
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Old 08-11-2018, 10:28 AM
 
Location: 500 miles from home
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I wonder if your friend has ever volunteered in a prison.

I don't see how you can visit a prison, and think we should be harder on criminals - especially the ones there for drug offenses, or because they were with some guy at the time he committed a crime.

Prisons are horrible places to be. Even if only a few hours a month.
They are. One of my relatives by marriage was arrested for white collar crime and spent time in what they called "Club Fed". If THAT was a country club - I would hate to see what a violent prison was like.

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The devil is in the details.

Are there any?
Nope. He's just trying to distance himself from his pals that are rallying tomorrow in DC
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Old 08-11-2018, 10:39 AM
 
Location: East Coast of the United States
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I believe in giving people convicted of certain crimes a second chance.

But never a third chance. Those criminals should be in prison until they croak.
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Old 08-11-2018, 10:42 AM
 
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Trump pushing for prison reform

Must be planning for his future ...
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Old 08-11-2018, 11:36 AM
 
Location: Denver, CO
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We just need to stop making everyone a criminal where there was no crime committed.
This X $22 trillion.

Crimes only exist if they involve a victim--murder, rape, assault, theft/robbery, trespass, fraud, and libel/slander. No victim, no crime.
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Old 08-11-2018, 11:39 AM
 
Location: The 719
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He has done more for the black and Hispanic communities in 18 months than Obama did in 8 years!

https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/...75158342098944
Yup. Now let's watch the left find a way to blame Trump for prison reform.

Wonder where they'll start.

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End victimless crimes. This would include the war on drugs. You suppose thats what Trump intends to do? lol
Trump loves the police state
Oh perfect. An answer.

Blame Trump for the blanket-crisis "war on drugs" and how the game hasn't changed since Nixon was in office, nothing at all to do with cartels exploiting every chance to capitalize on supplying a demand created by weak-willed American drug users, the addition of synthetic chemicals, fentanyl, and, the control of the market by globalist pharmaceuticals.

Yup! War on Drugs is Trump's fault.

Oh, what was the topic again? Bash Trump. No wait!

It's Prison Reform!

Oh.

Alice Johnson!

GoooOOO Trump!

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End victimless crimes. This would include the war on drugs. You suppose thats what Trump intends to do? lol
Trump loves the police state
We already have that.

It's called The Probation Officer. Follow a few simple rules, stay out of jail.

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Yeah--that's why he chose Sessions, who wants to waste even more tax dollars fighting a war on a plant.

Decriminalize ALL drugs, and the prison population decreases by 90%.
This may come as a huge shock to you, but... Follow me s-l-o-w-l-y... Trump regrets picking Jeff Sessions for AG... for a few reasons. His intolerance towards marijuana is one of his many faults.

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Wiki got that wrong, the goal of the war on drugs, is to ensure drug flow into the country remains consistent, and the drug trade thrives in the US, its the only way LE and prison industry can benefit.

Ever notice how there is never a lull or shortage of drugs? Every city and states is loaded to the rafters at all times, enough to cause major epidemics in numerous states...either border patrol is ridiculously ineffective or there is collusion.

Point is, they need the drugs to keep flowing in, so they have a drug war to wage, without a steady supply, dealers run out, addicts have nothing to buy, etc.
True there's no shortage of drugs aka pharmaceuticals around. The trick is gaining access to them.

Have you ever heard the phenomenon in the state of Florida called the Pain Clinic or seen it in action? Oxy-alley?

Retired doctors have been bribed with huge sums of cash to come out of retirement and work at these Pain Clinics in Florida where customers come from out of state and all around to fill their prescriptions of Vicodin and you name it, so they can treat their sore knees, backs etc. so they can get into the business of installing their floors for a living, dry walling, painting, etc.

This has been going on heavy during all of the Obama administration. Make these drugs harder to get, more expensive etc., then you got your heroin laced with fentanyl epidemic.

So who do you crack down on? The drug user? The dealer? How about Merck and Pfizer?

When is that gonna happen?

I'm sure it's right around the corner, tictoc tictoc.

What's my solution?

Stop taking a stupid drug to raise your current level of consciousness for a change. Drug abuse is an internal problem in the beginning and the end.

No drug users, no pushers, no gun violence, no super rich pharmaceuticals.

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Old 08-11-2018, 11:42 AM
 
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Trump’s going to prison, so that’s why he’s concerned about prison reform.
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Old 08-11-2018, 11:44 AM
 
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He has done more for the black and Hispanic communities in 18 months than Obama did in 8 years!

https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/...75158342098944
His first budget went into effect on October 2017. The unemployment rate is down 0.2 points, which is basically unchanged.
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Old 08-11-2018, 11:46 AM
 
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Nope. Employers landlords etc, should be able to ask questions about the past of a prospective employee/tenant and vis versa.
We just need to stop making everyone a criminal where there was no crime committed.
I do agree with that last part, but in the decades past, before BG checks for nearly every type of job was common, we seemed to have less problems than we do today...not sure how that could be.

Another huge problem is holding someones crime over their head FOR THE REST OF THEIR LIVES!! this absolutely needs to change, a 25 yr old that commits a crime has to deal with and explain that conviction to employers, landlords, etc until he dies!! Crimes need to drop off automatically (ALL crimes), like 7-10 yrs for misdemeanors and 15 or 20 for felonies.
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Old 08-11-2018, 02:04 PM
 
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Yup. Now let's watch the left find a way to blame Trump for prison reform.

Wonder where they'll start.



Oh perfect. An answer.

Blame Trump for the blanket-crisis "war on drugs" and how the game hasn't changed since Nixon was in office, nothing at all to do with cartels exploiting every chance to capitalize on supplying a demand created by weak-willed American drug users, the addition of synthetic chemicals, fentanyl, and, the control of the market by globalist pharmaceuticals.

Yup! War on Drugs is Trump's fault.

Oh, what was the topic again? Bash Trump. No wait!

It's Prison Reform!

Oh.

Alice Johnson!

GoooOOO Trump!



We already have that.

It's called The Probation Officer. Follow a few simple rules, stay out of jail.



This may come as a huge shock to you, but... Follow me s-l-o-w-l-y... Trump regrets picking Jeff Sessions for AG... for a few reasons. His intolerance towards marijuana is one of his many faults.



True there's no shortage of drugs aka pharmaceuticals around. The trick is gaining access to them.

Have you ever heard the phenomenon in the state of Florida called the Pain Clinic or seen it in action? Oxy-alley?

Retired doctors have been bribed with huge sums of cash to come out of retirement and work at these Pain Clinics in Florida where customers come from out of state and all around to fill their prescriptions of Vicodin and you name it, so they can treat their sore knees, backs etc. so they can get into the business of installing their floors for a living, dry walling, painting, etc.

This has been going on heavy during all of the Obama administration. Make these drugs harder to get, more expensive etc., then you got your heroin laced with fentanyl epidemic.

So who do you crack down on? The drug user? The dealer? How about Merck and Pfizer?

When is that gonna happen?

I'm sure it's right around the corner, tictoc tictoc.

What's my solution?

Stop taking a stupid drug to raise your current level of consciousness for a change. Drug abuse is an internal problem in the beginning and the end.

No drug users, no pushers, no gun violence, no super rich pharmaceuticals.
you could have saved yourself a bunch of typing by saying "my old failed ways or the highway"
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