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Old 08-12-2018, 09:56 AM
 
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just who are these Good Christians who think DT is a changed man? I don't know any. So I would be curious as to where you got this fact.
https://www.usnews.com/news/politics...changed-person

"President Donald Trump is a "changed person" since his alleged infidelity with a porn actress more than a decade ago, a prominent evangelical leader said Tuesday"

https://www.usnews.com/news/politics...y-evangelicals

"In an interview with Politico's Off the Message podcast, Family Research Council President Tony Perkins explained that evangelicals have granted Trump "a mulligan" over what they see as his past moral shortcomings, because his administration has advanced anti-abortion and other policies often espoused by Christian groups."

 
Old 08-12-2018, 10:21 AM
 
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His numbers were about 4 points lower a year ago. RCP used to have him at a 39% approval rating. Today, he's at 43%. Nate Silver has him lower with about a 42% approval rating. I don't deny there has been a little upward movement. Its not enough to materially change anything.

Like I said most people have formed their opinions of him and barring some really extraordinary event that not likely to change anytime soon.



He is unique in the sense that he is not even putting in a token effort to score points with people from the opposing party. Its very much us vs. them. Almost like he is still in campaign mode. That probably hurts his poll numbers but keeps his base stronger than previous presidents.
 
Old 08-12-2018, 10:21 AM
 
Location: Central NJ and PA
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Both parties need to go.

"And Monson and others noted that figure doesn’t tell the whole story, adding that it would be much higher at this point for most other Republican presidents.

“You might think at first glance Mormons are overwhelmingly pro-Trump, but they’re not overly enthusiastic about Trump,” Monson said. “Some Mormons are a little lost. They’re not Democrats, but they’re not sure of where the Republican Party is going."


https://www.deseretnews.com/article/...-november.html
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A poll conducted by Y2 Analytics included 500 Utah caucus-goers who placed Trump in third place behind Cruz and John Kasich. In fact, 29 percent of the Republicans who participate in the survey said they would actually write in another candidate. Despite Mormons being the most Republican group in the U.S., seven percent would actually cast a vote for a Democratic candidate before voting for Trump.



“First we need a just and caring law balanced with the values and principles that we love our neighbors, that families stay together, and enforce just and compassionate laws,” President Dieter F. Uchtdorf told the Deseret News in 2014.
https://universe.byu.edu/2016/03/21/...esnt-get-why1/


Sounds to me like they prefer "ANYONE, BUT Trump"!
I'm Mormon, albeit non-practising. I didn't vote for Trump. However, the premise in your first link - that Republicans are in trouble because Mormons don't like Trump, is just not true, no matter how much you would like to believe it. Take a look at Latimeria's post above yours. Monson is one of the church's leaders, so you should pay more attention to what he says than to some reporter or news article. As a general group, Mormons may not like Trump, but are still not Democrats. That bears repeating. Also, I don't know why a dislike of Trump would keep any person - regardless of candidate preference - from voting in other elections. That's just silly.
 
Old 08-12-2018, 10:31 AM
 
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You sure nailed those phony HYPOCRITES THAT HAVE THE NERVE TO CALL THEMSELVES Christians, especially the men...... who wouldn't think of missing Sunday night football for church!

Ever notice how few men attend mainline Protestant churches??????
The caps and all the bold letters are a bit distracting by the way.

Anyways I have no idea how many men attend mainline Protestant churches. I have never been in a Protestant church as far as I know. I am not into the whole church thing myself.

As far as hypocrites go I think a vast majority of Americans are for lots of different reasons. Both left and right. Not just phony Christians are you call them. Since most people are knee deep in it they can't see the forest for the trees. How many hypocrites are you aware of who admit they are hypocrites? I don't know any.
 
Old 08-12-2018, 10:31 AM
 
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I'm Mormon, albeit non-practising. I didn't vote for Trump. However, the premise in your first link - that Republicans are in trouble because Mormons don't like Trump, is just not true, no matter how much you would like to believe it. Take a look at Latimeria's post above yours. Monson is one of the church's leaders, so you should pay more attention to what he says than to some reporter or news article. As a general group, Mormons may not like Trump, but are still not Democrats. That bears repeating. Also, I don't know why a dislike of Trump would keep any person - regardless of candidate preference - from voting in other elections. That's just silly.
Oh no, sorry... I can see the confusion, but it wasn't President Monson saying that. From the article: " Quin Monson, a consultant for several GOP campaigns in Utah who has studied the LDS vote extensively at Brigham Young University."
 
Old 08-12-2018, 10:33 AM
 
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Maybe the Mormons can see through Trump better than the Evangelicals. After in office and seeing what a gem Trump is, I’m shocked that the evangelicals would stick with this liar and con man.
He's delivered what they wanted...pro life Judges and Supreme Court Justices...I'm shocked that Dims have such a hard time understanding that Evangelicals want to protect life.
 
Old 08-12-2018, 10:33 AM
 
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Oh no, sorry... I can see the confusion, but it wasn't President Monson saying that. From the article: " Quin Monson, a consultant for several GOP campaigns in Utah who has studied the LDS vote extensively at Brigham Young University."
Thanks for that correction. That's what I get for not reading the article. (Or looking at the date, as President Monson recently passed away.)
 
Old 08-12-2018, 11:22 AM
 
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He's delivered what they wanted...pro life Judges and Supreme Court Justices...I'm shocked that Dims have such a hard time understanding that Evangelicals want to protect life.
That is the difference here.

If you like Trump's agenda you ignore all the chaos surrounding him and are fine with him being in the White House. If don't like Trump's agenda then all you see is the chaos surrounding him and don't understand how anyone can see it differently.


And those from these opposing viewpoints are never going to agree on this.
 
Old 08-12-2018, 11:27 AM
 
Location: Salt Lake City
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No way Utahns will vote Democrat, a party that has gone way to the left that is for open borders, higher taxes, abortions on demand and other things that the Mormons dislike.
Well, I'm a Utah Mormon and you couldn't pay me enough to vote for Trump. I'm actually unaffiliated but generally speaking, vote Democrat. I just couldn't bring myself to vote for Hillary, though.

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McMullin got 21% because he is a local Mormon boy from Utah Valley (happy valley) and he was being backed by Romney and the Never Trump Republicans which would rather give Hillary the victory in 2016 and tilt the Supreme Court for liberals for decades than having Trump as President. That won't happen again in 2020.
I voted for McMullin because he was the only candidate my conscience let me vote for. It had nothing to do with his religion, and frankly, not a whole lot to do with his politics.
 
Old 08-12-2018, 11:29 AM
 
Location: Salt Lake City
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Mormon church may be against abortion, but a good percentage of Mormons believe it should be legal.
How about a source for that statement?
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