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Old 08-14-2018, 10:37 AM
 
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Great point, everyone likes to condemn Russia, but the CIA is probably doing the exact same thing to another country, or using sneaky ways to destabilize them ,and NO ONE is outraged? Lets drag the CIAs dirty laundry out in the open, so we can talk about that.





this is from our government that has a long history of getting involved in other countries to do regime changes , killing political leaders in other countries, spending millions in false propaganda to get their puppets elected in many countries. We started a war based on lies to knock off a government in a foreign country.......and some have the nerve to be upset because Russia allegedly hacked into the Podesta's and DNC emails? LOL


that's like a dad grounding his son for smoking 1 cigarette when DADDY smokes 5 packs a day....lol
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Old 08-14-2018, 11:10 AM
 
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What does INTERFERE mean? In specifics. What does HACKING mean? In specifics. I have yet to hear of any specific act by any specific Russian state operative that changed the election outcome any more than the candidates slandering each other did. Hacking implies someone altered the voting results. That has never been alleged. Influencing points to the revelations on wikileaks that put Hillary's campaign in a bad light. Isn't that investigative journalism? Who cares who did it? It was never alleged to be untrue.
Back in 1960, LBJ ran an add that implied Goldwater would start a nuclear war. Did that influence the election? Yes. Was it illegal? No. Do lobbyists influence elections? Actually they finance them. Do lobbyists have multinational interests? Yes. Is that illegal? No.
I don't get how a story can lead the news for months with unspecific allegations of interference and hacking without any specific illegal acts attributed to any actual persons that points to our elections being corrupted in any illegal way. Lobbyists have long since corrupted our elections in a legal way, providing the funds necessary to elect their candidates to create favorable laws for their clients.

QUOTE=moneill;52796455]There is 100% uncertainty by intelligence officers and politicians with access to the information (both left and right) that the russians most DEFINITELY did interfere with the election.

And yes -- it makes the USA look stupid.

And yes -- the USA looks even stupider claiming that this is not a significant issue that warrants an investigation.

And yes -- Trump and his fans should be all about the Russian investigation because -- according to them -- Trump did absolutely nothing and there is no danger in him being proven guilty of any crime but we may be able to ascertain the scope, the methods, EXACTLY how, where and why the Russians did interfere.

But because Trump and his fans have made the focus of the Russian investigation be a 'witch hunt' they have chosen to shift the priority of the investigation in the minds of Amreicans....both left and right.[/quote]
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Old 08-14-2018, 11:18 AM
 
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What does INTERFERE mean? In specifics. What does HACKING mean? In specifics. I have yet to hear of any specific act by any specific Russian state operative that changed the election outcome any more than the candidates slandering each other did. Hacking implies someone altered the voting results. That has never been alleged. Influencing points to the revelations on wikileaks that put Hillary's campaign in a bad light. Isn't that investigative journalism? Who cares who did it? It was never alleged to be untrue.
Back in 1960, LBJ ran an add that implied Goldwater would start a nuclear war. Did that influence the election? Yes. Was it illegal? No. Do lobbyists influence elections? Actually they finance them. Do lobbyists have multinational interests? Yes. Is that illegal? No.
I don't get how a story can lead the news for months with unspecific allegations of interference and hacking without any specific illegal acts attributed to any actual persons that points to our elections being corrupted in any illegal way. Lobbyists have long since corrupted our elections in a legal way, providing the funds necessary to elect their candidates to create favorable laws for their clients.
Honestly, if you don't know what the intelligence agencies have already shared months ago in response to these very questions, you probably have no interest in actually educating yourself and are better off not commenting at all.
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Old 08-14-2018, 12:03 PM
 
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Great point, everyone likes to condemn Russia, but the CIA is probably doing the exact same thing to another country, or using sneaky ways to destabilize them ,and NO ONE is outraged? Lets drag the CIAs dirty laundry out in the open, so we can talk about that.
It's not "probably". It's "definitely". And quite a bit worse than what Russians are alleged to have done.
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Old 08-14-2018, 12:04 PM
 
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If an eleven year old can hack and change votes then why couldn't an experienced hacker change electoral college votes?
She didn't "change votes".
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Old 08-14-2018, 03:55 PM
 
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Everyone with an IQ over 50 knows The Russians didn't hack the election. Hillary and Obama's Spooks thought up this Trump Russia collusion delusion to deflect from their treasonous act of spying on an opposing campaign i order to try to get something useful to win the election...it didn't work and so they came up with the plan discussed in Andy's office.

At least we know that though Obama did nothing in the face of the Russians "hacking our election", our current great President will make sure they don't.
You are joking, right?
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