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Old 08-16-2018, 09:14 AM
 
Location: Central Mexico and Central Florida
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To me it just looks like another liberal hit job. They knew damn well what they were doing, that it would cause a stir, and would give them a reason to try again and shut this poor SOB down because he doesn't conform to their ideologies.

If I was the baker I would sue or counter-sue for harassment, or at the very least get a restraining order to just leave the guy alone. He isn't going out of his way to bother anyone.
Why are you blaming the victim of the discrimination?? The baker knows the law and frankly I think HE likes the attention he gets.
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Old 08-16-2018, 09:15 AM
 
Location: Southern Nevada
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You see, that is the world view of a liberal. We support testing the system...and, if something is wrong with it, adjusting and fixing.
That would be adjusting and fixing according to your standards, which may or may not be what everyone else thinks.

Liberals think they are the judge and jury and they are not. If they want people to respect their opinions they need to start with respecting everyone else's.
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Old 08-16-2018, 09:18 AM
 
Location: Central Mexico and Central Florida
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That would be adjusting and fixing according to your standards, which may or may not be what everyone else thinks.

Liberals think they are the judge and jury and they are not. If they want people to respect their opinions they need to start with respecting everyone else's.
Including the views of White Supremacists?? If a baker says he won't bake a cake for black customers, that's OK with you??
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Old 08-16-2018, 09:19 AM
 
Location: the very edge of the continent
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Why are you blaming the victim of the discrimination?? The baker knows the law and frankly I think HE likes the attention he gets.
Local or state law? Both are superseded by the baker's Constitutional Rights. Read the Constitution's Supremacy Clause, Article VI, and then read the SCOTUS ruling excerpt in my prior post.

Americans need to stop being so under-educated.
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Old 08-16-2018, 09:41 AM
 
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The Supreme Court's decision was so narrow, that the lower courts hadn't shown the bakery owner's religious beliefs due respect, that it required another case to be filed. It was a non-decision. They didn't establish any precedent except that when lower courts hear cases involving religion that they respectfully hear out the religious beliefs. The Supreme Court, like it or not, is going to have to actually make a decision. Either that the state can set the parameters of acceptable discrimination or not, and if not, what the federal government says is acceptable discrimination.
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Old 08-16-2018, 09:48 AM
 
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It should be mentioned - perhaps again - that the cake requested didn't have decorations on it saying "I'm transitioning" - but was simply requested as being pink and blue.

If this is the truth (and that is the report), this Baker is certainly going to have to do research on all the possible meanings of any and every color.

Will he refuse to sell Pink cakes to males? Will he request pics of genitals or birth certificates? How will he make sure there are not straw purchases of the wrong color icing?
The lawyer told the baker the cake was to celebrate her transition from male to female. She could have asked for a green and purple cake and it wouldn't matter to the baker.

She could have described the cake and left it at that, but wanted him to refuse to make the cake so she could file a complaint with the biased CCRC.
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Old 08-16-2018, 09:50 AM
 
Location: the very edge of the continent
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The Supreme Court's decision was so narrow, that the lower courts hadn't shown the bakery owner's religious beliefs due respect, that it required another case to be filed. It was a non-decision. They didn't establish any precedent except that when lower courts hear cases involving religion that they respectfully hear out the religious beliefs. The Supreme Court, like it or not, is going to have to actually make a decision. Either that the state can set the parameters of acceptable discrimination or not, and if not, what the federal government says is acceptable discrimination.
This doesn't look narrow to me. The assumed "narrowness" seems to be a "wishful" partisan misinterpretation. From the 7-2 ruling:

"The government, consistent with the Constitution's guarantee of free exercise, cannot impose regulations that are hostile to the religious beliefs of affected citizens and cannot act in a manner that passes judgment upon or presupposes the illegitimacy of religious beliefs and practices"

Two prohibitions there. Cannot impose in the first place, and then cannot act to enforce that imposition.
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Old 08-16-2018, 09:51 AM
 
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The lawyer told the baker what the colors pink and blue represented in the cake she wanted. She told him the cake was to celebrate her transition from male to female.

She could have described the cake and left it at that, but wanted him to refuse to make the cake so she could file a complaint with the biased CCRC.
That's okay -- it could be the individual was forcing the issue so that they could proceed with a court case.

That's okay. This time perhaps it may make it to the Supreme Court for the broader ruling of businesses denying service based on religion.
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Old 08-16-2018, 10:07 AM
 
Location: 500 miles from home
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That's okay -- it could be the individual was forcing the issue so that they could proceed with a court case.

That's okay. This time perhaps it may make it to the Supreme Court for the broader ruling of businesses denying service based on religion.
Exactly. Just like how anti-choice folks push the envelope to take their anti-choice cases to court. It is what it is. Let's not pretend otherwise.
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Old 08-16-2018, 10:11 AM
 
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Apparently, the only baker in Colorado was recently asked to bake a cake that celebrates the transition process, where is it is pink on the inside and blue on the outside, or vice versa, and he again declined on religious grounds, and the CO bureaucracy that got dissed by SCOTUS the first time is now back at it to exact their vengeance upon him.

And seriously, he apparently is the only baker in all of Colorado.
I'm not seeing the religious grounds on this one. The cake is one color on the inside and another out. So?
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