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Wealthy religious people tend to believe the poor person needs to get right with God, in order to be ... wealthy. Speaking of education, wealth and religion .... How income varies among U.S. religious groups
Those percentages don't account for populations. Just income for those who are part of those organizations.
You'd need to look at percentage religious based on income. For example, for those with an income of less than $30k, what percentage of that economic group is religious?
I think I might have triggered some lefties. Nothing some time with crayons in the ole safe space won’t fix right?
What you lefties don’t understand is how radical your ideas are. Thirty years ago most people still went to church, they believed what the Bible said, and hardly anyone would consider gay marriage or cross dress men being in women’s bathrooms as anything remotely possible. Homosexuality was a marginalized behavior that most believed needed to be kept in private (in the closet). The idea that Christianity itself would be attacked would have shocked Americans and instantly would have been linked to the kind of atheism practiced by the godless communists.
40 years ago we (family) went to church. Very few of my other friends went.
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The idea that we would implement socialism in this country was unthinkable back then, THAT is what our soviet enemies did.
Social Security is socialism. It's been very popular for a long time. Trump's bail out are Socialist. It's odd how someone that seems to be promoting church attendance is also demonizing helping others.
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Most believed the changes of the civil rights era made the playing field level but would never have allowed minority activists to dictate what they said, which flags to display or what historical figures should have statues and which should not. Political correctness would have been considered Orwellian and downright un American.
It's proudly American and Christian to call other people names, right?
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The America of pre 1990 would have agreed with the sentiments I stated above by a large majority, both democrat and Republican. Christianity and Capitalism were believed to be core values of this nation as was the liberties outlined in the bill of rights. You radical leftists are demanding it all be upended, your new America will replace ours and we were just NAZIs, racists and bigots who need to go away. We are not going away, the election of Trump and a republican congress proved that. When you gain the numerical advantage we will still stand in your way. Most of us were taught that the kind of socialism and tyranny y’all propose is worthy of armed rebellion. Maybe that is what we need anyway, a chance to cleanse this nation and take out the trash.
I'm pro-life. I attend church. I am a Christian. What makes me a "leftist"?
Imagine how many of the nations financial problems would be solved by taxing churches.
Churches are the primary means of support for the poor for food and/or shelter. Are you prepared to shift 100% of that responsibility to ALL taxpayers and not just the ones who belong to a church???
The idea of taxing churches is just another way to attack Christianity. Leftist cockroaches figure they can shut down thousands of churches by taxing them. The goal is not revenue, it is really an effort to persecute Christians and prevent the spread of the good news about Jesus. They truly hate Christianity and this suggestion of taxing churches is proof.
Hey, Bubba, I'm not a leftist cockroach. I'm a conservative atheist. I value governments that are wise with their taxes, and not giving breaks to religious groups, you know, like Muslims, Jewish, Hindu, Sikh oh yeah, and them Christians, is a concept whose time has come.
Why should MY atheist tax dollars support your belief in an imaginary entity?
Now get off the persecution bandwagon. You don't KNOW persecution. Just ask the Muslim Palestinians in the Middle East, or the atheist woman in Saudi Arabia, or the Kurd in Iran or Iraq.
I’m singling out the black church because black people are the only people I care about the church ripping off. That’s why.
How Christian of you.
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Originally Posted by normstad
People forget that we all have to subsidize religious institutions, and I, as an atheist, object to that.
Why should churches get to expect services like firefighting, policing and infrastructure and not pay for them.
I pay for lots of things I don't believe in - war, corporate welfare, etc. etc.
Churches are paying for infrastructure as users of those services - they pay water, sewer and electric bills. My church contributes an annual amount toward the police department, and hires off-duty officers when needed for traffic or crowd control.
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How the federal government is involved in what goes on at the state level is also a little more complicated than you describe.
Some of the federal government's involvement simply has to do with consistency. Federal highway standards ensure the interstate highway system is consistent throughout the nation, for instance.
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Not that federal involvement prevents all failings and shortcomings at the state or local level of course. Ask anyone living in Flint, Michigan, where local officials resigned over the mishandling of the crisis brought on by what was essentially a local effort to save money. Local officials eventually had to declare a state of emergency and soon after the federal government declared a federal state of emergency as well.
Flint is a good example, though, of federal regulations that require state and local service providers to ensure a minimum level of safety. When that minimum level is not met, the federal government steps in to force the service provider to meet the requirements.
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The idea of taxing churches is just another way to attack Christianity.
Oh, good Lord.
You do realize that there are other religious institutions in this nation beyond Christian institutions?
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Leftist cockroaches
Oooh, how Christian of you.
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figure they can shut down thousands of churches by taxing them. The goal is not revenue, it is really an effort to persecute Christians
Sounds like you're the only one with a persecution complex.
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The atheist SJW vermin
Ooh, how Christian of you.
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leftist cockroaches
Oooh, how Christian of you.
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A collection of pink haired commies, SJWs and BLM thugs
Those percentages don't account for populations. Just income for those who are part of those organizations.
You'd need to look at percentage religious based on income. For example, for those with an income of less than $30k, what percentage of that economic group is religious?
The higher the income, the less likely someone is to be religious.
Read the dates and the fine print at you link as it says, change happens over time ...
From the report I used (2016) it is difficult to correlate between education and income, it is also harder to link between religion and wealth.
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religious groups also tend, on average, to be better educated than most Americans.
Growing inequality of income could become the last nail in public education’s coffin. It contributes to the residential segregation that cordons off rich school districts from the poor and reduces support for public education among the wealthy Americans who can opt out.
The only ones that can enjoy their freedoms are the ones who can afford to which does not in any way, make the rich person smarter than the poor man, only wealthier. (i.e. trump )
I think you misunderstood me. I said "It's highly unlikely that Church A is doing nothing but religious services."
People who don't go to church tend to make strange assumptions about what goes on in churches. I'll grant you there may be some church, somewhere, that does NO "good works" but I've never heard of one. Even these big mega-churches, as some have posted and as I could attest to as well, do community service.
I did slightly misread you, but that doesn't alter my premise that when churches (or any other charity), does actual charity in the community (prothlezing doesn't count), then that work should be credited against any potential tax burden.
I live in a very small community and we have two churches here. The United Church's pastor is always involved in community events, they planted a 3 acre parcel of berries, and ask that those who pick them to contribute to their church. I, as an avowed atheist, do, as I see it as a true community service, and I know the work she (the pastor) does as a volunteer. That church I would gladly give the property tax exemption.
The other is a Free Evangelical church. It has more members, but I have never seen them ever involved in anything but their own activities. I have never seen their pastor at any community event other than the harvest supper. That church I would not exempt from property taxes, as it does not give back in any way.
I think I might have triggered some lefties. Nothing some time with crayons in the ole safe space won’t fix right?
What you lefties don’t understand is how radical your ideas are. Thirty years ago most people still went to church, they believed what the Bible said, and hardly anyone would consider gay marriage or cross dress men being in women’s bathrooms as anything remotely possible. Homosexuality was a marginalized behavior that most believed needed to be kept in private (in the closet). The idea that Christianity itself would be attacked would have shocked Americans and instantly would have been linked to the kind of atheism practiced by the godless communists.
The idea that we would implement socialism in this country was unthinkable back then, THAT is what our soviet enemies did.
Most believed the changes of the civil rights era made the playing field level but would never have allowed minority activists to dictate what they said, which flags to display or what historical figures should have statues and which should not. Political correctness would have been considered Orwellian and downright un American.
The America of pre 1990 would have agreed with the sentiments I stated above by a large majority, both democrat and Republican. Christianity and Capitalism were believed to be core values of this nation as was the liberties outlined in the bill of rights. You radical leftists are demanding it all be upended, your new America will replace ours and we were just NAZIs, racists and bigots who need to go away. We are not going away, the election of Trump and a republican congress proved that. When you gain the numerical advantage we will still stand in your way. Most of us were taught that the kind of socialism and tyranny y’all propose is worthy of armed rebellion. Maybe that is what we need anyway, a chance to cleanse this nation and take out the trash.
That's what Christian means in the Trump era. Christian = angry bully who wishes that we lived in a theocracy where everyone is forced to play their part and where everyone knows their place in the patriarchal order and gleefully submits to Christian authority. A society where gays are in the closet (if they come out they are imprisoned or executed), women are forced to stay in the kitchen and submit to their husbands, everyone goes to church on Sunday and if they don't they are ostracized from society, and dark-skinned people are forced to stay on their side of the tracks, out of site and out of mind. That's the society conservatives want.
Evangelical Christians OWN Trump. He's their President. He's President because of them. He's President because of their anger and rage about the fact that people in America don't have to obey their every whim by law yet. They consider that freedom; freedom to submit to the authority of the church. I consider that tyranny.
Imagine how many of the nations financial problems would be solved by taxing churches.
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