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Old 08-19-2018, 10:09 AM
 
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DE first of all is monoculture and the physical size of the country is a major factor.
Its not a factor. Canada is even bigger than America. Australia, almost as physically big as the continental US has lots of the same programs as Germany has. Tiny countries have it. Big countries have it. Populous and not populous. These are just excuses concocted by right wing talking heads.

 
Old 08-19-2018, 10:10 AM
 
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Obviously you are going to get mental health issues after living on the streets for a while. And that leads to substance abuse.
You don't know much about homeless people. You say homeless people were perfectly fine until for some odd reason became homeless which somehow made them mentally ill and then they started abusing drugs or alcohol. Its actually the other way around. The substance abuse or mental health issues cause them to be unable to provide for themselves and earn a steady income and their substance abuse or mental illness ends up driving away their family and they end up on the streets.

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Of course the disabled or the people who are partly disabled are not taken care of in Texas. Thats why people who earn more than $300 a month dont get health care. Even if you are not disabled, plenty of people cant get enough money to pay for health care which is very expensive. Even with children. So people have to choose between food and medicine for their children.
I am not sure how you define partially disabled. So you are saying they are partially disabled and have never worked so they cannot get SSDI? Because you are picking and choosing the worst possible scenario that few would actually fall under to make a point. Partially disabled you might be able to work. I do know someone who was diabetic and overweight and could work but was able to get SSDI. Again working the system. You get a lawyer keep appealing with the government until you win and then you get a big fat check that covers all the time you were waiting to qualify and then get monthly checks.
 
Old 08-19-2018, 10:10 AM
 
Location: the very edge of the continent
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Because they can no longer do the job required of them.
They are then transitioned to a different job. Again, federal laws prohibit employers discriminating against the disabled.
 
Old 08-19-2018, 10:15 AM
 
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You don't know much about homeless people. You say homeless people were perfectly fine until for some odd reason became homeless which somehow made them mentally ill and then they started abusing drugs or alcohol. Its actually the other way around. The substance abuse or mental health issues cause them to be unable to provide for themselves and often their family gives up on them and they end up homeless.






I am not sure how you define partially disabled. So you are saying they are partially disabled and have never worked so they cannot get SSDI? Because you are picking and choosing the worst possible scenario that few would actually fall under to make a point. Partially disabled you might be able to work. I do know someone who was diabetic and overweight and could work but was able to get SSDI. Again working the system. You get a lawyer keep appealing with the government until you win and then you get a big fat check that covers all the time you were waiting to qualify and then get monthly checks.
Partially disabled, there are millions upon millions of those. Can work, but hard to get full time employment for example. SSDI? Forget it. SSI? Forget it. Health care? Forget it. You have to earn more than $300 a month to survive. And even when people are not disabled, health care and medicine has to be paid out of pocket or go without for millions upon millions of people in Texas anyway. Like you say, people have to beg the churches, scam the system etc. Thats the solution. Its appalling.
 
Old 08-19-2018, 10:16 AM
 
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Its not a factor. Canada is even bigger than America. Australia, almost as physically big as the continental US has lots of the same programs as Germany has. Tiny countries have it. Big countries have it. Populous and not populous. These are just excuses concocted by right wing talking heads.
America is larger economically than all the EU countries combined. Land mass means nothing when the northern parts of canada are a frozen wasteland. Canada has a smaller GDP than Texas despite the fact they have 10 million more people. And like Texas they have a large oil and gas industry.


If California wants its own universal healthcare like Massachusetts has no one is stopping them. They brag about being the 6th biggest economy in the world. They just need a big fat VAT.
 
Old 08-19-2018, 10:16 AM
 
Location: Florida
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Taxes ... Americans do not want to pay them. German government takes care of its citizens. America will have none of that as it cost money.
No, it's because real Americans know that the tax system in the US is designed to keep the wealthy even more wealthy while breaking down the middle class and expanding the poor class. The backbone of America takes pride in owning their own stuff. With a social program, we don't own anything. Heck, welfare may be used to help with lower housing costs, but the poor people in those homes don't own them, some rich person does, and they are becoming more rich when the government is forcing other tax payers at gun point to pay for these welfare homes.

And, we seen the bang up job our social programs are doing to our American cities. The VA, our public schools in the poor sectors, the mass drug problems, are in total ruins.
 
Old 08-19-2018, 10:18 AM
 
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Its a legal requirement. All stores include VAT in prices. You're just rambling, just like with your claim that the Economist is lying with their McDonald's Big Mac prices.
Whose legal requirement? Cite the law you are referring to. You have no idea what you are even talking about.


And I take note, you have never been to Europe and seen it first hand.
 
Old 08-19-2018, 10:18 AM
 
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They are then transitioned to a different job. Again, federal laws prohibit employers discriminating against the disabled.
This is fantasy as that is simply not possible in many cases. You get hit by a drunk driving homeless person who have given up on life because the safety net is non-existent, then you get hit by the reality of your own cruel policies. You get blind (lets be real, you go more than blind if you are hit in a car accident), cant work, lose your insurance, and all you have to say is "tough luck".
 
Old 08-19-2018, 10:20 AM
 
Location: alexandria, VA
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Deutschland? Nicht danke.
 
Old 08-19-2018, 10:20 AM
 
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Whose legal requirement? You have no idea what you are even talking about.


And I take note, you have never been to Europe and seen it first hand.
Its a legal requirement yes. You're just rambling.

https://europa.eu/youreurope/citizen...s/index_en.htm
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