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Old 08-20-2018, 01:27 PM
 
Location: NJ
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trump's changes to immigration of seasonal workers has left the Maryland crab industry without workers. They have advertised for American workers, but no takers for this tedious work. MD and VA eastern shores of the Chesapeake Bay went big for trump. Now one of the major crab houses is considering moving his operations to Mexico.

Under this same immigrant worker program Mar A Lago manages to get as many workers as trump needs.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/...=.f5515ac32b3a
Trump is trying to get comprehensive immigration settled. when that happens the needs of industries needing help will be considered and an appropriate number of work visas issued.


Have to control the border and tally required manpower. sneaking across the border really screws up the accounting.


Back in the 50s and 60s illegal entry was minimal. times have changed with thousands trying to enter illegally daily basis. Not a real issue way back when. It sure is now!


dems do their best to maintain issues rather than solve them. issues are useful to support narratives down the road. solve the problem and dems are without argument.
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Old 08-20-2018, 01:31 PM
 
Location: Central Mexico and Central Florida
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Trump is trying to get comprehensive immigration settled. when that happens the needs of industries needing help will be considered and an appropriate number of work visas issued.
Seriously??? The entire article is about how trump admin did NOT consider the plight of this industry and did NOT issue an appropriate amount of work visas. You are not entitled to your own set of facts.
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Old 08-20-2018, 02:22 PM
 
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Wow you either missed or misrepresented every fact in the article. The issue is not applying for the visa, the issue is changing to LOTTERY visas and disallowing applications by former workers (before trump they same seasonal workers were allowed to come back to same job). One company moving to MX is not going to help the Chesapeake area....all the companies are in the same boat.

If you could read and comprehend, you would know this.

It is you who has missed or misrepresented the facts. This man did not receive all the visas he wanted. Many businesses did not because there is a pre Trump cap on H-2b visas. There was an exemption that expired in 2016 that allowed workers who had previously held those particular jobs "return workers" to not be counted in the cap 66,000. CONGRESS did not extend that cap exemption.
It expired in 2016. It was for 2015 through 2016. Congress voted not to extend it in 2016, before Trump took office. Apparently congress did not reinstate the exemption in 2017 either.
This man, Phillips, apparently did not apply for his return workers so the number was counted in the cap. DHS set and increase of an additional 15,000 visas to be randomly chosen "lottery". Apparently Phillips did not apply or was not chosen for additional visas.


Yes many companies are in the same boat because they think they need more H-2b visa workers and there are only X amount allowed.


Move to Mexico, or find other employees (One businessman is using foreign students with a J1 visa), or petition congress to further increase the allowed number of visas.
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Old 08-20-2018, 03:45 PM
 
Location: Central Mexico and Central Florida
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This man, Phillips, apparently did not apply for his return workers so the number was counted in the cap. DHS set and increase of an additional 15,000 visas to be randomly chosen "lottery". Apparently Phillips did not apply or was not chosen for additional visas.

Yes many companies are in the same boat because they think they need more H-2b visa workers and there are only X amount allowed.

Move to Mexico, or find other employees (One businessman is using foreign students with a J1 visa), or petition congress to further increase the allowed number of visas.
Phillips APPLIED in BOTH lotteries...stop implying he did something wrong when he didn't. The trump administration is the one who started LOTTERIES. Phillips didn't get ANY in them...how fair is that? How rational a policy is that???

Here's background from a Baltimore paper....maybe it is written more simply for your ability to comprehend.
Crab crisis: Maryland seafood industry loses 40 percent of work force in visa lottery - Baltimore Sun
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Maryland's seafood industry is in crisis: Nearly half of the Eastern Shore’s crab houses have no workers to pick the meat sold in restaurants and supermarkets.

They failed to get visas for their mostly Mexican workforce, including many women who have been coming north to Maryland for crab season for as long as two decades. The Trump administration for the first time awarded them this year in a lottery, instead of on a first-come, first-served basis.
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Old 08-20-2018, 03:57 PM
 
Location: On the Chesapeake
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The job being talked about. Some of you don't be offended at the mention of God.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jOC84jWHfvE


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f96bRGmorps

Fun fact: it's not really mustard.

Minute 27 shows you a large crab picking operation:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1QEBg9FBj7M

Oh, women pick the crabs because men mash the backfin too much.
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Old 08-20-2018, 04:30 PM
 
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Well , isn't earning money for a couple of months better than getting no money for the same time period?

Isn't that what some people tell the unemployed?

that depends. i worked seasonal positions for fourteen years before i got sick and ended up disabled and on dialysis. the problem isnt finding the seasonal jobs, they are out there by the boatload. the problem comes when coming back home and finding someone to hire you on a temporary basis so you can go back to the seasonal position when the season comes back around.


and during that time, you have to live off what you earned during the season. that means paying rent/mortgage, taxes etc. not to mention the cost of going to the seasonal job, and coming back. and the further you have to go for the job, the more expensive it is. for instance for nine seasons i traveled from tucson to shenandoah national park, a one way trip of 2300 miles. some people can make that happen, others cant.
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Old 08-20-2018, 04:31 PM
 
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That's just sad that Americans are too lazy to do these jobs.
We'd probably love to hear about your job history, if you've ever done heavy-duty repetitive physical labor.
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Old 08-21-2018, 07:58 AM
 
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Phillips APPLIED in BOTH lotteries...stop implying he did something wrong when he didn't. The trump administration is the one who started LOTTERIES. Phillips didn't get ANY in them...how fair is that? How rational a policy is that???

Here's background from a Baltimore paper....maybe it is written more simply for your ability to comprehend.
Crab crisis: Maryland seafood industry loses 40 percent of work force in visa lottery - Baltimore Sun
It says: “It’s just ridiculous,” said Phillips, who failed to secure any visas when the first 33,000 were allocated in February or when an additional 15,000 were issued in June. “I’m not a gambler. I want to know I got my crew.”
Now does that mean he applied for 50 workers of the 33,000 slots and didnt get any or he didnt apply assuming he would get his returning workers exempt from the count not knowing congress did not reinstate the exemption.

The lottery is for the additional 15,000 slots DHS opened up to help with the extreme demand. Petitions reached max (47,000) in 5 days. So Phillips didnt get his petition in or he was not chosen among the rest of the 60 percent.
It wasnt the random lottery draw on the additional slots, it was the unprecedented high demand for workers this year. There are a limited number of slots, not everyone is going to get what they want.

Perhaps if you would read some real reporting and get info from the actual government department websites instead of gleaning from sob stories that focus of individual hardships instead of reporting actual facts.
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Old 08-21-2018, 08:05 AM
 
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Seriously??? The entire article is about how trump admin did NOT consider the plight of this industry and did NOT issue an appropriate amount of work visas. You are not entitled to your own set of facts.
The real story here is that the company DID NOT apply for their visas in time. It's the time old adage "If you snooze you lose". Sucks to be them.
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Old 08-21-2018, 08:07 AM
 
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We'd probably love to hear about your job history, if you've ever done heavy-duty repetitive physical labor.
More than you and your entire family most likely. I wasn't afraid to do hard work unlike the young generation of today who is deathly afraid of it for the most part. BTW, picking crabs apart is not what you would call heavy-duty physical labor. There are machines that do the bulk of the work.
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