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Old 09-10-2018, 11:09 AM
 
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All wrong, the USSR was state run capitalism, real socialism like in Catalonia in the 30s, the Zapatistas, and the free territories were a success. And when you privatize all capital, that means workers have no ability to control their own production, starting your own business is participating in the criminal enterprise.
Sorry, your lazy "all wrong" response, without specific responses to my retorts, is not a response.

The communism cycle:

1. Agitation, as we see here
2. Revolution, murder, and oppression.
3. Oppressive state
4. Failed communist state
5. "That wasn't real communism"
6. Rinse and repeat.

Rhetorically speaking, why not just agitate for Nazism? It was much less murderous than communism was in the 20th century. You know, if you care about people so much, I'd at least consider an ideology that wasn't the single most murderous ideology in recent memory.

Economics is not politics. You are being had by people who are served by having you focus on what does not produce political power.
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Old 09-10-2018, 11:11 AM
 
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All wrong, the USSR was state run capitalism, real socialism like in Catalonia in the 30s, the Zapatistas, and the free territories were a success. And when you privatize all capital, that means workers have no ability to control their own production, starting your own business is participating in the criminal enterprise.
Here's an idea, why not try this with your own people in Iran first and let us know how it goes?

What's the matter, does that represent too much skin in the game for you?

Or maybe you consider your people already too ruined and ruinous for that to work?

In other words, what credibility do you have with us?

None.
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Old 09-10-2018, 12:52 PM
 
Location: Manchester NH
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Here's an idea, why not try this with your own people in Iran first and let us know how it goes?

What's the matter, does that represent too much skin in the game for you?

Or maybe you consider your people already too ruined and ruinous for that to work?

In other words, what credibility do you have with us?

None.
I would love a workers lead society in Iran, but I live here, so I’m going to help people gain the freedom of their own labor here: Evergreen Cooperatives
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Old 09-10-2018, 01:21 PM
 
Location: Santa Monica
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I would love a workers lead society in Iran, but I live here, so I’m going to help people gain the freedom of their own labor here: Evergreen Cooperatives
Back to Cleveland?

Awesome! Now you'll be helping people like me.

I'd say make sure you have your will in order before you go but you don't own anything anyway.

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Old 09-10-2018, 01:32 PM
 
Location: Manchester NH
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Back to Cleveland?

Awesome! Now you'll be helping people like me.

I'd say make sure you have your will in order before you go but you don't own anything anyway.

In terms of crime?

Ehh, I’ll be fine.
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Old 09-10-2018, 01:40 PM
 
Location: Santa Monica
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In terms of crime?

Ehh, I’ll be fine.
Yes, crime.

There's a lot of folks in the ghetto who don't believe in private or personal property (though they're one in the same). I'm sure that organization's bourgeoisie don't live among the proletariat and are heavily secured when they must interact.

What made you change your mind to go to Cleveland?
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Old 09-10-2018, 01:47 PM
 
Location: Manchester NH
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Yes, crime.

There's a lot of folks in the ghetto who don't believe in private or personal property (though they're one in the same). I'm sure that organization's bourgeoisie don't live among the proletariat and are heavily secured when they must interact.

What made you change your mind to go to Cleveland?
I haven’t made up my mind, it was just an example of a community getting together to better their own lives and reclaim their freedom.

I do want to start in the states, but New Hampshire has its own areas that need help. As for Cleveland, who knows, maybe in the future.

There are volunteer groups I’m with right now that focus on jobs training for inmates. Politically speaking I still follow the direct action thought and hope to start my own worker cooperative, and eventually help expand the evergreen network.

But like I said, I’m starting here before I think about going into Guatemala.
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Old 09-10-2018, 02:13 PM
 
Location: Santa Monica
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I haven’t made up my mind, it was just an example of a community getting together to better their own lives and reclaim their freedom.

I do want to start in the states, but New Hampshire has its own areas that need help. As for Cleveland, who knows, maybe in the future.

There are volunteer groups I’m with right now that focus on jobs training for inmates. Politically speaking I still follow the direct action thought and hope to start my own worker cooperative, and eventually help expand the evergreen network.

But like I said, I’m starting here before I think about going into Guatemala.
In Cleveland they have the most wretched victims of imperialist capitalists: ghetto minorities like myself. New Hampshire doesn't even have many minorities to oppress.

Since I'm the most oppressed according to Marxist doctrine wouldn't it be better to "save" me and folks like me first?

You already have a running head start. I assure you most of those folks don't believe in private property either. When you have something they want...you get the idea real quick.

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Old 09-10-2018, 02:20 PM
 
Location: Manchester NH
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In Cleveland they have the most wretched victims of imperialist capitalists: ghetto minorities like myself. New Hampshire doesn't even have many minorities to oppress.

Since I'm the most oppressed according to Marxist doctrine wouldn't it be better to "save" me and folks like me first?

You already have a running head start. I assure you most of those folks don't believe in private property either. When you have something they want...you get the idea real quick.

Marxist doctrine says we are not divided by race, but by class. Once you abolish the class system, we will all live together in partnership and harmony.
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Old 09-10-2018, 02:28 PM
 
Location: Santa Monica
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Marxist doctrine says we are not divided by race, but by class. Once you abolish the class system, we will all live together in partnership and harmony.
Then what's all the racial talk in many of your YouTube videos about?

It says that initiative started in 2003. I'm pretty sure Cleveland has gotten worse since then. Are the capitalists really tightening the screws on the Marxists there?
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