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Old 08-25-2018, 06:32 AM
 
Location: the very edge of the continent
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Libertarians can be left or right, but typically value individual freedom over collectivism. Both leftists and Trump supporters are collectivists that want to ram a narrow worldview down everyone’s throat and punish all those who refuse to conform.
Also 100% correct.
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Old 08-25-2018, 06:37 AM
 
Location: Texas
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You are too far gone, and old, to rid yourself of soviet contamination. Oh well.
Very common for Trumplings to resort to personal insults after they've been defeated.
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No me jodas mas.
You flatter yourself.

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Old 08-25-2018, 06:39 AM
 
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Politics is how we believe. Our beliefs are who we are. Nothing petty about our differences.

I will agree that there is an attempt to create dissention and division among us.

Another difference between us is which side we believe is guilty of intentionally creating this dissention and division.
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Old 08-25-2018, 06:55 AM
 
Location: Long Island, N.Y.
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Very common for Trumplings to resort to personal insults after they've been defeated.
You flatter yourself.


Defeted? Lol
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Old 08-25-2018, 06:55 AM
 
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You leftists only see and refer to short sighted notions. The soviets infiltrated our institutions for nearly a century, and that created the American progressive left (YOU) that are now crying TREASON over the election of Trump.

Here, let Yuri explain it to you...





The lefties as you call us, are demonstratively more concerned to address Russian acts and aims than what we see of Republican base who is behind Trump who want to pass it off as if its OK.

Russia is controlled by a "single man", with a pretense of having a democratic style election, but we know it is not so, and Russian people know it is not so.

America is not going to become like Russia, and we will not have a "single man" conducting our office of the Presidency as if he's a dictator. Nor, will American people stand to the side and allow us to become a Plutocracy, as which Trump claimed when he said, he only wanted "wealthy people" in his Administration. We are not going to live as if the "wealthy can set policy and push agenda", because we will not be made into SERF's by the aims of any Aspiring Authoritarian.
We will not sit idle and have our elections invades by foreign powers, to sway it to any Russian styled supported who seek and wants to have power over a nation, the way Putin has power over Russia.
We will not have ANYONE in the Office of the Presidency, who continues to do what Trump has done to the Congress, by threat, attacks, ignoring and circumventing their constitutional duties. We will not have a Dictator to Erode our Justice system, by attacks and expectation and demands for personal loyalty to himself.
We will not have a system where the Office of the Presidency is run like a Mafioso Organization, with demands of loyalty to the Mafia Don, who stands up and proclaim, that people should not stand and speak the truth when confronted and challenged to do so.
We will not have any man or woman to attack with aims to destroy our long history of hard work in building our Organizations and Institutions of Governance Departments, Divisions and Agencies.
We will not sit idle and allow any authoritarian dictator minded person to push racial divisiveness from the towers of our Presidential Office. Nor will we have any Religious Organization to push to merge their Religion to usurp our Governance System and its Duty to maintain separations of Church and State.

We will not fall for the drama spins of repetitions of lies and aims to deflect and distract, nor will we become drunk and blind by the spin cycles or the smoke blowing madness of contemptuous drama at the people of America who do not submit themselves to become subservient to one who seeks to be an Autocratic in their want to be a Dictator over the nation of America.

We will not allow our Office of The Presidency, to be run and ruled over and diminished by one who has a lack of integrity, and void of ethnics while promoting self enrichment acts, and seeking to damage America by trying to destroy our systems of Regulatory Governance.

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Old 08-25-2018, 07:01 AM
 
Location: Long Island, N.Y.
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The lefties as you call us, are demonstratively more concerned to address Russian acts and aims than what we see of Republican base who is behind Trump who want to pass it off as if its OK.

Russia is controlled by a "single man", with a pretense of having a democratic style election, but we know it is not so, and Russian people know it is not so.

America is not going to become like Russia, and we will not have a "single man" conducting our office of the Presidency as if he's a dictator. Nor, will American people stand to the side and allow us to become a Plutocracy, as which Trump claimed when he said, he only wanted "wealthy people" in his Administration. We are not going to live as if the "wealthy can set policy and push agenda", because we will not be made into SERF's by the aims of any Aspiring Authoritarian.
We will not sit idle and have our elections invades by foreign powers, to sway it to any Russian styled supported who seek and wants to have power over a nation, the way Putin has power over Russia.
We will not have ANYONE in the Office of the Presidency, who continues to do what Trump has done to the Congress, by threat, attacks, ignoring and circumventing their constitutional duties. We will not have a Dictator to Erode our Justice system, by attacks and expectation and demands for personal loyalty to himself.
We will not have a system where the Office of the Presidency is run like a Mafioso Organization, with demands of loyalty to the Mafia Don, who stands up and proclaim, that people should not stand and speak the truth when confronted and challenged to do so.
We will not have any man or woman to attack with aims to destroy our long history of hard work in building our Organizations and Institutions of Governance Departments, Divisions and Agencies.
We will not sit idle and allow any authoritarian dictator minded person to push racial divisiveness from the towers of our Presidential Office. Nor will we have any Religious Organization to push to merge their Religion to usurp our Governance System and its Duty to maintain separations of Church and State.

We will not fall for the drama spins of repetitions of lies and aims to deflect and distract, nor will we become drunk and blind by the spin cycles or the smoke blowing madness of contemptuous drama at the people of America who do not submit themselves to become subservient to one who seeks to be an Autocratic in their want to be a Dictator over the nation of America.

We will not allow our Office of The Presidency, to be run and ruled over and diminished by one who has a lack of integrity, and void of ethnics while promoting self enrichment acts, and seeking to damage America by trying to destroy our systems of Regulatory Governance.
So, you didn't watch that video. Ok.
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Old 08-25-2018, 07:01 AM
 
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I've witnessed a lot more personal insults from the left than I have from the right. Constant race card pulling, etc.
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Old 08-25-2018, 07:51 AM
 
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So, you didn't watch that video. Ok.
Yes, I watched it, but it was no need, When I watch Trump trying to brainwash Americans everyday.

Heck for that matter, "We've" seen in the history of America, the aims and acts of trying to brainwash America to repeat the "white nationalist" promotions and propaganda that has been incessantly done by the usage of TV since its first inception, even before by the ways it conducts itself in relation to non white society. Over the many generations of depicted aims from white washed history books to every aspect of the American past as if it was only a nation for and about white people.

Russians have been good at the gaming of such things as well, over many centuries and decades including the system of the Soviet Union's control over so many States that made up their collective. America could have learned much form the Native Americans, if it had not first engaged to denigrate them and subvert and exterminate and dominate over those that survived such acts. But those that came here first from monarchical and authoritarian regime systems, had not the senses nor the educational skills to place humane regard as the high priority, to understand how to come to a nation and work with and live with the people who accepted them into their nation. People came here seeking "wealth accumulations", by any means. that is all they knew which they claimed as freedom, which contained so little respect for what Democracy was all about.

I've already written about the need for the future generation, who are 'researchers" who seek out to learn about the past, they pay attention to the present and they "inquire to find what is truth" and they will pursue the means to bring America to face the truths it has a long history of denials.

People don't want fake promises, they want opportunity to be and do, what they are capable to do, and they want to learn more that they can do better.

America has been in contentions for centuries, since the advent of slavery, through the horrors of segregation, and only 54 yrs of trying to build the equality among citizens as persons. It takes time, and everyday, in the age of information, the truths that expose the way forward is the work being undertaken in this day and time. The more people are aware, the more they can become aware of what is needed to advance society.
We have a society that is traversing through what it takes to deal with "equality"... our history has been in many struggles with how to understand and how to define equality. It has to come to respect of the "integrity of the individual", and the needs for individuals to uphold a sense of self dignity, and respect the premise and principles of Democracy that supports this nation as being of free people. It is imperative that people "come to learn" freedom is first and foremost about "Responsibility", because without responsibility, there is no freedom. Freedom has never meant "do anything, anyway, at any time, that one can conjure to think. We live in a system of "Regulatory Governance', and there can be no Democracy, without Regulatory Governance, because to be without Regulatory Governance, is to be in a continual state of Conflicts and Contentions, because everyone can't just "do anything, anyway, at any time, that one can conjure to think.

America must first come to realize, it is a young nation when it comes to the point of being one that truly respects "democracy", and to do so, it first has to respect the equality of individual as person, as well as respect the person as individual, and the person as individual must respect the principles of regulatory governance, if we are to sustain a morality of dignity and uphold integrity to be as one people, in a nation of Democracy.

Some of these nations such as the systems of the former Soviet Union, has been long dealing with the struggle of trying to make oneness of people, but they tired it by autocratic means. Many who came to America, came from autocratic societies, with a claim they wanted Democracy, but sadly many came, simply in a "wealth pursuit"... with little to no understand of what is Democracy, nor what is the principles and premise that supports and sustain democracy. They simply passed on from one generation to the next, the aim and devotion to acquiring wealthy by any means, which is and has been an insult to the principles of Capitalism within a Democracy, as being the Monetary system, which was designed to support peoples economic viability within a system of Democracy. Such types with the "get rich" and "seek wealth" mentality, are in many ways self blinded to the Responsibility of Democracy and their responsibility to Democracy, and the respect of Capitalism and how it is of design to function in a Democracy.

It will take more decades before society can wash away the past and relearn how to be what this nation was designed to be.

This guy in your clip said, it may take 50 yrs, but it may even take longer. It took this nations 100's of years to move away from the form of slavery it once engaged, and another 100 yrs to move away from segregation, and it now will take more time to move away from the ways it has continued to promote modified versions of slavery which it engages by many means, and it must learn to move away from the system of plutocracy that slavery taught into the systems of society.
We have much work to do, and we will go through changes to advance in ways that we get the systems influences of the past out of our society, and that require generations of learn and growing, which at present we are in process of, and it takes much time and much work, to change the ideological mindset of people, to learn that the way forward to preserve democracy is an "everybody's" work and challenge, that is not expected to be easy after 100's of years of deflection and diversions, and pass along ways of the past.

The guy said what is true, in that there is no place to migrate to if we fail, so we have but one choice and that is the choice to become a more learned people, and people who truly invest to know and understand what it takes to be a Democracy, and accept that it can't come to be what it is, without "equality" of person as individual, and equality of individual as person, who accept the responsibility it takes to remain being with freedoms.

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Old 08-25-2018, 08:16 AM
 
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I've witnessed a lot more personal insults from the left than I have from the right. Constant race card pulling, etc.
Explain "Race Card" ?
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Old 08-25-2018, 08:48 AM
 
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How do we fix ourselves as People
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