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Old 08-23-2018, 11:22 AM
 
Location: Florida
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Believe me, these people who are trying to bring President Trump down know that their a*s is grass once the midterms are over and the Republicans(conservatives) win.

They are scrambling for their lives to bring anything against Trump that they think will stick. They will go after anyone who has ever spoken to him if need be.

Don't you lefties comprehend that if they had anything on Trump that they'd be charging him with a crime?

They haven't proved one thing against him.
Who is "they"?

Lefties understand (which you apparently do not) that Mueller has not presented the case yet.

Trump is just freaking out because so many of his associates are going down, and his 'friends' are turning against him to save themselves, as they should. His friends are probably a lot like him.
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Old 08-23-2018, 02:04 PM
 
Location: Homeless
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If Trump is innocent he wouldn’t have to keep repeating his innocence.
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Old 08-23-2018, 02:27 PM
 
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He did things that were wrong. Extra-marital sex, for example.

But he didn't do things that were illegal. Like conspire with Russia.
And how do you know that? Maybe you should tell mueller. Another know it all republican....
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Old 08-23-2018, 02:46 PM
 
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You forgot about the lies he has told. But I know that means nothing to his supporters.
They're not "lies," they're "alternative truths." In Todd's world, there's nothing wrong with fudging a few details here and there, as long as you own some libs in the process.

I don't believe he's actually naive enough to believe that everything reported in the mainstream media is fake news, and that everything Trump says is objectively true, but it's hard to tell these days.
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Old 08-23-2018, 02:50 PM
 
Location: NE Mississippi
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And how do you know that? Maybe you should tell mueller. Another know it all republican....
How come a Republican is a know it all when he observes that no charges have been filed against Trump, but Democrats are not know it alls for predicting that charges will be filed?
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Old 08-23-2018, 02:53 PM
 
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How come a Republican is a know it all when he observes that no charges have been filed against Trump, but Democrats are not know it alls for predicting that charges will be filed?
It ain't over yet, sweetheart. Be patient.
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Old 08-23-2018, 02:55 PM
 
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How come a Republican is a know it all when he observes that no charges have been filed against Trump, but Democrats are not know it alls for predicting that charges will be filed?
Probably because that Republican didn't observe that no charges had been filed against Trump, he said Trump "didn't do things that were illegal."

There is a difference between not doing illegal things and not having been charged for illegal things. We know the second thing is true, but no one here can confidently state that the first thing is true.
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Old 08-23-2018, 03:02 PM
 
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Probably because that Republican didn't observe that no charges had been filed against Trump, he said Trump "didn't do things that were illegal."

There is a difference between not doing illegal things and not having been charged for illegal things. We know the second thing is true, but no one here can confidently state that the first thing is true.

That and "Crooked Hillary" who is obviously more honest and very likely less crooked than our President.



If we set aside the issue of being impeached (understanding how some might not think that is a good idea) it is very difficult to understand how anyone supports the President at this point. He is simply the most untrustworthy individual to occupy that office in my lifetime (which includes Nixon).
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Old 08-23-2018, 03:05 PM
 
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Please explain and quantify exactly how many votes were changed, by Russia, from Clinton to Trump.
We are waiting.
Never mind - the short answer is ZERO
Only simpletons play this game. It amounts to making a pat assertion on the basis that your candidate won the election without attempting any sort of analysis at all. Time to put down your talking points from Hannity or wherever and do some analyzing.

Since you apparently aren't able to analyze, let me do it for you.

Trump won the election by winning an electoral vote majority while losing the popular vote. The election boiled down to three states: Pennsylvania; Michigan; and Wisconsin. In all three states, Trump prevailed over Clinton by less than 1% of the total vote margin. The race was unusually close in Michigan and the state went to Trump by about 1/10 of one percent or by about 10,000 total votes out of millions cast. Trump's total victory margin over Clinton in all three states was about 77,000 votes.

The point is that with the victory margin that close, virtually anything, could have made the difference. We do know the Russians were circulating many fake news stories on Facebook. One particularly deceitful story even claimed that Hillary Clinton was running a child prostitution ring out of a laundry in Washington, D.C. This story was apparently believed by some as a man showed up with a rifle at the laundry believing he was going to "liberate" the children "being held hostage". There were dozens of such stories. These stories all had the same characteristics. They played to select groups of people. They were usually completely false. They had an emotional appeal that was calculated to enrage people rather than to get them to consider facts.

No one will ever know exactly how many votes were changed in this fashion. However, the likelihood that it affected one percent or less of the voters in Michigan, Wisconsin, and Pennsylvania is high indeed.

Whether I like it or not, Trump was legally elected President of the United States. Is his victory tainted? You bet it is.
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