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Old 08-27-2018, 08:52 PM
 
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With McCain gone, we're left with Republicans who are either corrupt, incompetent, shady, radicalized, unprincipled, crooked, or all of the above.
That about sums it up ...
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Old 08-27-2018, 08:53 PM
 
Location: Manchester NH
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your kidding. The Chinese started military aid in 1950...……..hell we didn't even help the French until 1953.
Full scale military aid, from your own article, started in 1964 (or later) from the Soviets.

The Vietnamese leadership was in no way under control of either of the two powers, as the Chinese had no Love for Vietnam.

We, on the other hand, bombed and destroyed south Vietnam FIRST, and used it to destroy villages, farmlands, and rivers, for the main purpose of destroying any hopes of a nationalist movement in East Asia so we would retain our power over the East Asia sphere (much like the Japanese hoped to).
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Old 08-27-2018, 08:59 PM
 
Location: Phoenix
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With McCain gone, we're left with Republicans who are either corrupt, incompetent, shady, radicalized, unprincipled, crooked, or all of the above.


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Yeah Trump has changed the Republican party for the better mostly, especially as they control the House, Senate, Presidency, Supreme Court and most state Governors and legislators.

I respected McCain as a soldier but never liked him as a politician because he was a war hawk and always wanted more $$$ for defense and I think his demeanor was too volatile. So I like the new Republican party more than the old one.

Trump remains at odds with the old guard Republicans but they can team up on occasion to make good policy so all is good....this is how our system is working very well....loving every day in Trump's America

RIP John McCain.
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Old 08-27-2018, 09:03 PM
 
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McCain was a moderate who crossed party lines for the good of our country. We need more moderates in both parties, not extremists. And he stood up to Trump while the rest of the republican party stood on the sidelines in fear. What wimps.
You mean he crossed party lines for the bad of the country like a lot of so-called moderates do.

What you and many consider moderate is extreme open borders, free trade and globalism, and socialism. Trump's policies are moderate.
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Old 08-27-2018, 09:04 PM
 
Location: In The Thin Air
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Heartbreaking eh? So... when did you decide you liked McCain? ... a couple years ago... a couple weeks ago?
Why does that matter? It doesn't.
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Old 08-27-2018, 09:07 PM
 
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McCain had a unique POW experience. Initially, he was taken to the infamous Hanoi Hilton prison camp, where he was interrogated. By McCain’s own account, after three or four days, he cracked. He promised his Vietnamese captors, “I’ll give you military information if you will take me to the hospital.”His Vietnamese capturers soon realized their POW, John Sidney McCain III, came from a well-bred line of American military elites. McCain’s father, John Jr., and grandfather, John Sr., were both full Admirals. A destroyer, the USS John S. McCain, is named after both of them. While his son was held captive in Hanoi, John McCain Jr., from 1968 to 1972, was the Commander-in-Chief of U.S. Pacific Command; Admiral McCain was in charge of all US forces in the Pacific including those fighting in Vietnam. ..The Admiral’s bad boy was used to special treatment and his captors knew that. They were working him.For his part, McCain acknowledges that the Vietnamese rushed him to a hospital, but denies he was given any “special medical treatment.”

However….two weeks into his stay at the Vietnamese hospital, the Hanoi press began quoting him. It was not “name rank and serial number, or kill me,” as specified by the military code of conduct. McCain divulged specific military information: he gave the name of the aircraft carrier on which he was based, the number of US pilots that had been lost, the number of aircraft in his flight formation, as well as information about the location of rescue ships…

Vietnam POW Activists Called McCain ‘Songbird’ and ‘Manchurian Candidate’

EXCERPT: from 1992 Senate Select Committee on POW/MIA’s:
“When two U.S. Army enlisted men were captured by the Viet Cong in 1963, they were plunged into an ordeal that would prove to be a relentless trial of body and spirit by torture. Once they were finally freed, however, their trials began all over again, when their statements critical of the U. S. Vietnam policy landed them in a military court facing a capital offense for violating the military Code of Conduct by “aiding the enemy.”

But, if your name is John McCain and your father and grandfather were famous admirals, violating the Code of Conduct by “aiding the enemy” translates into fodder for a political career, book deals, and adulation bordering on sainthood. Even though news reports of McCain collaborating with the enemy continued from the time he was captured in 1967 through 1970, the Navy never considered prosecution as an option.

Instead, Pentagon pencil pushers chose a political spin that lifted McCain, the former POW turned U.S. Senator, up to a glorified pedestal where he sprouted a halo and wings and became America’s “POW-hero” and today a presidential candidate.
No such luck for the two lowly “grunts.”
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Old 08-27-2018, 09:11 PM
 
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McCain was a terrorist. Just so you know.
Is that the current excuse? Vermin. I didn’t vote for him and disagreed on pretty much all of his political views. But he served this country from the time he was a young boy until a week before he died. That deserves some fecken respect. It is revolting that this White House had to be shamed into doing it. He was even a member of their own party
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Old 08-27-2018, 09:11 PM
 
Location: Japan
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Why does that matter? It doesn't.
... because genuineness and sincerity matter. They do.
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Old 08-27-2018, 09:38 PM
 
Location: Here
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Amazing that one can amass a personal net worth of $22M on a salary of $174K/year.
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Old 08-27-2018, 09:38 PM
 
Location: NE Mississippi
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Is that the current excuse? Vermin. I didn’t vote for him and disagreed on pretty much all of his political views. But he served this country from the time he was a young boy until a week before he died. That deserves some fecken respect. It is revolting that this White House had to be shamed into doing it. He was even a member of their own party
Meh .... McCain put out a statement saying he did not want Trump at his funeral. If I were Trump I would ignore McCain, too.
From me, I just say, "Thanks, John". And that's a hell of a lot more than I'll ever say to Harry Reid.
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