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Old 08-31-2018, 05:41 AM
 
Location: Hiding from Antifa!
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Why would you call them cretins. They do a job just like everyone else. And Trump can't even run the white house properly
Quite often in the civilian world, the people at the bottom, after you have rated them for performance, not pay, hang on because the company can afford to let them stay, hoping they will turn around. Sometimes it takes a long time to pull the trigger and let them go. Sometimes they are maybe doing just enough to get by, and you don't want to bother with having to train someone new. But guess which employees are the first to go when economics dictate a need to cut headcount? Thus companies can often make improvements when in a downsizing mode, knowing that the economic situation will likely turn around and they can get new blood, hopefully with a better working attitude.
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Old 08-31-2018, 05:45 AM
 
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Here is one handy table showing the pay raises since 2008. As noted in it, we Federal employees received Zero increases in 2011, 2012 and 2013:


https://www.federalpay.org/gs/raises

Shows the HYPOCRISY of many on the left on here.
OBAMA FROZE salaries and they STILL voted for him and NEVER COMPLAINED ABOUT IT but, let Trump NOT allow a 28.22% raise and oh the horror, the world will come to an end!
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Old 08-31-2018, 05:48 AM
 
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A society as you envision, would be a revival of the Clan of the Cave Bear. Only with 325 million people who were starving and killing each other. The half-life of the population, as it crashed, would be about three weeks. You must really despise people, to want that.
Yeah without the guv there would be no farmers and no stores to sell food
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Old 08-31-2018, 05:49 AM
 
Location: Denver, CO
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Yeah without the guv there would be no farmers and no stores to sell food
And no roads.
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Old 08-31-2018, 05:50 AM
 
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Downsizing also becomes more of a "who you know" than what you know and contribute. Manager not like you? To hell with the benefit of the company, it is all about the manager and them not liking you, even if you are a star performer. Next thing you know you end up like GE.
That's true. And if a company does that too much, they risk going out of business. Same thing could happen if they never get rid of the chaff, too.

What is killing GE is the business model that (Neutron)Jack Welch began back in the 80s. I know this because I was there. Jack believed that any segment within GE had to be number one or two in their respective market. If not, he sold off the division. "Lean and Mean" was his mantra. It made no difference if the division was immensely profitable. He would sell it off anyway. The division I worked in never got sold off, but I left for other reasons, on my own initiative. I worked in field service in the Medical Systems division, and I grew tired of being the one to tell the customers that we could not do what they needed because it didn't fit the bottom line.

While I was with GE from 1980-1986, GE worldwide went from about 400,000 employees to 300,000. At the time, GE was considered the business to model your business after. Want to know what began the death of company loyalty to its employees? There it is.
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Old 08-31-2018, 05:53 AM
 
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And no roads.
Just millions of acres of vegatables, millions of cows, chickens and pigs and no roads to get any of it to market...oh wait no market either because no govt. to tell us we need to eat.
Ah the damage govt schools do to developing minds
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Old 08-31-2018, 05:54 AM
 
Location: Brew City
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Yeah without the guv there would be no farmers and no stores to sell food
Without Trump they'd be making their own money. But now they have to rely on handouts because of his policies. So yes, without the government right now there would be no farmers.
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Old 08-31-2018, 06:00 AM
 
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Without Trump they'd be making their own money. But now they have to rely on handouts because of his policies. So yes, without the government right now there would be no farmers.
I dont support any tariffs or bailouts, you on the other hand are just angry because its trump doing the bailing and taxing and not your guy.
Irrationality rules the day
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Old 08-31-2018, 06:01 AM
 
Location: Brew City
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I dont support any tariffs or bailouts, you on the other hand are just angry because its trump doing the bailing and taxing and not your guy.
Irrationality rules the day
Let me know when "my guy" creates a problem then bails out the victims.
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Old 08-31-2018, 06:02 AM
 
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This ^^^. So many tales of incompetent corporate employees go around in our family (with some big-name corporations). Me, I used to work with corporations (and small businesses) throughout the US. But, sure, yeah it's easier for customers to head to another store. Or the corporate stock falls and your 401-K takes a hit. It just plays differently.

Now, it is harder to get rid of non-performing government employees. Why? Once again, because of civil service protections in place to prevent patronage appointments below a certain level and politicization of the workplace. To protect the country from corrupt politicians. Folks really like Trump.

Sure, that means some work doesn't get done - particularly for lower-level tasks that the public is most aware of - maybe like social security with delays (and, on the state level, the DMV although I have to say that our last DMV-experience was excellent).

For more critical functions (say an imminent terror threat or anything Congress or the WH wants now), the work tends to be placed on other employees with unreimbursed overtime, intense-stress deadlines.

It's a double whammy. Government employees also pay taxes but then are the ones who are again hit by extra work (from understaffing, too).

So, yeah, Trump's little finger gesture doesn't go over well.
I wasn't born then, but weren't things a lot worse before the start of the 20th century? Things were really bad. In the late 60s I started working in a meat packing plant in Ohio. I was drawn to read "The Jungle" by Upton Sinclair. If you haven't read it, you should. You think things are bad now? I can see how the union movement got started after reading that book. I hope we never get to that point again, but I can see us moving in that direction. There are two ways to avoid it. Grow the unions again to keep the bad employers honest or grow the economy to where there are more jobs than there are people to fill them, forcing the bad employers to treat their employees better. Can you see where I am going with the latter? In one word, Trump.
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