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Originally Posted by Midpack
So Americans should expect to pay on average twice as much per capita as citizens of every other developed country despite substantially poorer outcomes? Are Americans being misled on that? There are many, many reasons, but defending the status quo seems like sticking your head in the sand.
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America has BETTER outcomes medically...yes we are more expensive, but part of that is overhead not related to healthcare, yet our outcomes are better
we know, American health care costs more.....
American health care has better results too
we have 330 million population
we spend massively, because we atleast address the problems
we have millions that have diabetes...other country dont diagnose as much as we do
we have millions that have monocular degeneration (blindness) other countries dont fully treat as well as we do
its the same with most thing...look at the numbers we (the usa) has a better 'treatment' record (life after diagnoses) than all other countries.
1: Americans have better survival rates than Europeans for common cancers. Breast
cancer mortality is 52 percent higher in Germany than in the United States, and 88 percent higher in the United Kingdom. Prostate
cancer mortality is 604 percent higher in the U.K. and 457 percent higher in Norway. The mortality rate for colorectal
cancer among British men and women is about 40 percent higher.
2: Americans have lower
cancer mortality rates than Canadians. Breast
cancer mortality is 9 percent higher, prostate
cancer is 184 percent higher and colon
cancer mortality among men is about 10 percent higher than in the United States.
3: Americans have better access to treatment for chronic diseases than patients in other developed countries. Some 56 percent of Americans who could benefit are taking statins, which reduce cholesterol and protect against heart disease. By comparison, of those patients who could benefit from these drugs, only 36 percent of the Dutch, 29 percent of the Swiss, 26 percent of Germans, 23 percent of Britons and 17 percent of Italians receive them.
4: Americans have better access to preventive
cancer screening than Canadians. Take the proportion of the appropriate-age population groups who have received recommended tests for breast, cervical, prostate and colon
cancer:
Nine of 10 middle-aged American women (89 percent) have had a mammogram, compared to less than three-fourths of Canadians (72 percent).
Nearly all American women (96 percent) have had a pap smear, compared to less than 90 percent of Canadians.
More than half of American men (54 percent) have had a PSA test, compared to less than 1 in 6 Canadians (16 percent).
Nearly one-third of Americans (30 percent) have had a colonoscopy, compared with less than 1 in 20 Canadians (5 percent).
5: Lower income Americans are in better health than comparable Canadians. Twice as many American seniors with below-median incomes self-report "excellent" health compared to Canadian seniors (11.7 percent versus 5.8 percent). Conversely, white Canadian young adults with below-median incomes are 20 percent more likely than lower income Americans to describe their health as "fair or poor."
6: Americans spend less time waiting for care than patients in
Canada and the U.K. Canadian and British patients wait about twice as long - sometimes more than a year - to see a specialist, to have elective surgery like hip replacements or to get radiation treatment for
cancer. All told, 827,429 people are waiting for some type of procedure in
Canada. In England, nearly 1.8 million people are waiting for a hospital admission or outpatient treatment.
7: People in countries with more government control of health care are highly dissatisfied and believe reform is needed. More than 70 percent of German, Canadian, Australian, New Zealand and British adults say their health system needs either "fundamental change" or "complete rebuilding."
8: Americans are more satisfied with the care they receive than Canadians. When asked about their own health care instead of the "health care system," more than half of Americans (51.3 percent) are very satisfied with their health care services, compared to only 41.5 percent of Canadians; a lower proportion of Americans are dissatisfied (6.8 percent) than Canadians (8.5 percent).
9: Americans have much better access to important new technologies like medical imaging than patients in
Canada or the U.K. Maligned as a waste by economists and policymakers naïve to actual medical practice, an overwhelming majority of leading American physicians identified computerized tomography (CT) and magnetic resonance imaging (MRI) as the most important medical innovations for improving patient care during the previous decade. The United States has 34 CT scanners per million Americans, compared to 12 in
Canada and eight in Britain. The United States has nearly 27 MRI machines per million compared to about 6 per million in
Canada and Britain.
Fact No. 10: Americans are responsible for the vast majority of all health care innovations. The top five U.S. hospitals conduct more clinical trials than all the hospitals in any other single developed country.[14] Since the mid-1970s, the Nobel Prize in medicine or physiology has gone to American residents more often than recipients from all other countries combined. In only five of the past 34 years did a scientist living in America not win or share in the prize. Most important recent medical innovations were developed in the United States.
Conclusion. , the U.S. health care system compares MORE favorably to those in other developed countries
http://www.firstthings.com/blogs/sec...pe-and-canada/
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If healthcare costs less in Germany, then why does Germany have to ration?
Healthcare costs less, but Germany can't give you the medication you need, because they can't afford to buy it.
yes we spend a lot on healthcare...but we also have the BEST RECORDS of health.........
our outcomes (diagnosis and TREATMENT, and RECOVERY) is some of the BEST in the world
a) we rank in the top 10 of RECOVERY from
cancer
b)American women have a 63 percent chance of living at least five years after a
cancer diagnosis, compared to 56 percent for European women.
c)American men have a five-year survival rate of 66 percent — compared to only 47 percent for European men.
d)Among European countries, only Sweden has an overall survival rate for men of more than 60 percent.
e)For women, only three European countries (Sweden, Belgium and Switzerland) have an overall survival rate of more than 60 percent.
that is the ranking of care available to all Americans, not just those with private health coverage. Great Britain, known for its 50-year-old government-run, universal health care system, fares worse than the European average: British men have a five-year survival rate of only 45 percent; women, only 53 percent.
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how about a comparison to
Canada???
a)For women, the average survival rate for all cancers is 61 percent in the United States, compared to 58 percent in
Canada.
b)For men, the average survival rate for all cancers is 57 percent in the United States, compared to 53 percent in
Canada.
In the United States, 85 percent of women aged 25 to 64 years have regular PAP smears, compared with 58 percent in Great Britain. The same is true for mammograms; in the United States, 84 percent of women aged 50 to 64 years get them regularly — a higher percentage than in Australia,
Canada or New Zealand, and far higher than the 63 percent of British women.
which country has the highest
cancer rate (cases not recovery)...Denmark..they are the SICKEST (in terms of
cancer) in the world
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