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Old 09-09-2018, 06:53 PM
 
Location: Upstate NY 🇺🇸
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And that is one of the reasons why our healthcare system is as screwed up as it is and why we won't embrace universal healthcare.

I'm sorry that your "healthcare system," whether that's your doctor(s) or insurance, is "screwed up;" ours isnt.
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Old 09-09-2018, 07:33 PM
 
Location: Lexington, Kentucky
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I don't think it's doctors pay that has our health care and it's costs so screwed up and expensive...I would go with the Insurance Company Lobbyists and Big Pharma....along with how crazy the cost of higher education has gotten. (The Lobbyist paying off the Politicians sure doesn't help things though.)
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Old 09-09-2018, 08:10 PM
 
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They're the one group in the whole equation not being asked to suck it up and take less.
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Old 09-09-2018, 08:35 PM
 
Location: Ohio
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Then quality of a doctor is NOT based on where they lived. There are excellent doctors in every developed country.
That's not entirely true. Doctors in many foreign States have little to no experience treating different types of trauma.

There are many foreign States where you will die in a traffic accident, because the doctors do not have the experience level necessary to treat your injuries, whereas had you been in the US, you would have survived.

Hospitals are not equally equipped, either.

Again, there are many foreign States where you will die of your injuries, because the hospital lacks the equipment to treat your injuries. Even if you gave them the equipment, they would be several years behind US physicians, because of the learning-curve necessary to both learn how to use that equipment and become proficient with it.

Even the hospitals of Euro-States are not equally equipped.

For example, if you were in the US Army, and your spouse or child had a congenital heart condition, or any other heart ailment, you could not be assigned to the 2nd Armored Division (FWD) in NORTHAG, because the nearest hospital that could treat your spouse or child was four hours away in Hamburg, and you could not be assigned to any unit in the US VII Corps, because the nearest hospitals were 2 hours to 6 hours away.

You could only be assigned to US V Corps unit, and based only in Frankfurt or Kasierslautern areas, because only those cities had hospitals with the necessary equipment to treat your spouse or child, and they could get to those hospitals within 30 minutes or so, and every minute counts.

Nearly all US hospitals are similarly equipped.

Where I live, you have seven hospitals serving 1 Million people that can perform open-heart surgery.

You will never see that in a Euro-State.

While it might appear to be attractive, it is actually the duplication of resources, which is both costly and inefficient, and one of the reasons healthcare costs more in the US than other States.

Germany's use of clinics and polyclinics is specifically designed to prevent the duplication of resources such as on the scale they exist in the US, which greatly reduces costs and increases efficiency.

That fact that you don't have Free Market healthcare in the US is one of the reasons why you have the costly and inefficient duplication of services.
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Old 09-10-2018, 01:18 AM
 
Location: Vancouver
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MAGUHHHHH! Bottom line, you need us way more than we need you. End of subject, topic closed.

Now where is that rope I can swing from?
In trade, yes. You are our largest trading partner...for now. Canada for years now has been actively removing it's trade with the US to other countries. Trade is up with the rest of the world.Just look at lumber exports from BC...we are trading LESS with the US than 20 years ago.

Why? Even before Trump Canada has realized that you guys don't play by the rules. Even with NAFTA, blatantly subsidizing industries that are not allowed to be under NAFTA.

Every time it goes to any dispute mechanism you lose. That's why Trump wants the NAFTA dispute mechanism solution only in US hands.

Ain't going to happen.


Canada isn't some tinpot backwoods country. We trade, we have a free market economy, and have a social democratic mindset.

Everything we have is because of that. Trade partners rely on each other. Imagine any country without it in the 21st century.

You talk as if the US can survive without trade. It can't. Your car industry, and many others would not and can not survive without trade...or would cost much, much more.

So dismiss us and the rest of world. Do so at your own peril. Already Trump is costing US consumers more. Just wait for the 25 percent tariff on cars...from Canada. Who pays...well you do.
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Old 09-10-2018, 01:23 AM
 
Location: Vancouver
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That's not entirely true. Doctors in many foreign States have little to no experience treating different types of trauma.

There are many foreign States where you will die in a traffic accident, because the doctors do not have the experience level necessary to treat your injuries, whereas had you been in the US, you would have survived.

Hospitals are not equally equipped, either.

Again, there are many foreign States where you will die of your injuries, because the hospital lacks the equipment to treat your injuries. Even if you gave them the equipment, they would be several years behind US physicians, because of the learning-curve necessary to both learn how to use that equipment and become proficient with it.

Even the hospitals of Euro-States are not equally equipped.

For example, if you were in the US Army, and your spouse or child had a congenital heart condition, or any other heart ailment, you could not be assigned to the 2nd Armored Division (FWD) in NORTHAG, because the nearest hospital that could treat your spouse or child was four hours away in Hamburg, and you could not be assigned to any unit in the US VII Corps, because the nearest hospitals were 2 hours to 6 hours away.

You could only be assigned to US V Corps unit, and based only in Frankfurt or Kasierslautern areas, because only those cities had hospitals with the necessary equipment to treat your spouse or child, and they could get to those hospitals within 30 minutes or so, and every minute counts.

Nearly all US hospitals are similarly equipped.

Where I live, you have seven hospitals serving 1 Million people that can perform open-heart surgery.

You will never see that in a Euro-State.

While it might appear to be attractive, it is actually the duplication of resources, which is both costly and inefficient, and one of the reasons healthcare costs more in the US than other States.

Germany's use of clinics and polyclinics is specifically designed to prevent the duplication of resources such as on the scale they exist in the US, which greatly reduces costs and increases efficiency.

That fact that you don't have Free Market healthcare in the US is one of the reasons why you have the costly and inefficient duplication of services.
That's true. I suspect your doctors have much, much more experience with gunshot wounds.
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Old 09-10-2018, 01:38 AM
 
Location: Knoxville, TN
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That's true. I suspect your doctors have much, much more experience with gunshot wounds.
Wow, you danced around that jab so well we almost missed it.
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Old 09-10-2018, 03:23 AM
 
Location: NC
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So dismiss us and the rest of world. Do so at your own peril. Already Trump is costing US consumers more. Just wait for the 25 percent tariff on cars...from Canada. Who pays...well you do.
True, but it’ll reduce or shift demand some too, so Canada will lose some jobs. The tariff war is a lose-lose proposition.
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Old 09-10-2018, 12:26 PM
 
Location: Vancouver
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True, but it’ll reduce or shift demand some too, so Canada will lose some jobs. The tariff war is a lose-lose proposition.
Of course it's a loss for all those involved. That's why it's so ridiculous. The issue on our side of the border is the lies that Trump has spread, and how amazingly some in the US lap it up as truth. Verifiable, lies. Then the not negotiating in good faith reveal that Trump so stupidly bragged about.
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Old 09-10-2018, 12:29 PM
 
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They're the one group in the whole equation not being asked to suck it up and take less.
Since when is Pharma and insurance execs sucking up and taking less?
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