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Old 09-15-2018, 12:31 PM
 
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I'm pretty sure that if you walk into someone's apartment and shoot them, they're going to search your place regardless of the excuse you give.

Unless you're a cop.
Probably, but that's what I said she wasn't getting unusual special treatment compared to what any other cop or official gets.
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Old 09-15-2018, 12:34 PM
 
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They said they found a little bit of marijuana in the guy's apartment. In the future they'll say he tried to attack the officer, so the officer was only defending herself, and the case dropped.
https://m.dariennewsonline.com/news/...s-13230315.php

They probably knew each other. People don't let their doors unlock.
Attorney S. Lee Merritt said two people reported hearing knocking and a woman's voice saying, "Let me in," before the shooting.
https://www.dallasnews.com/news/crim...estions-remain
Funny how that witness didn't go to the police and report that but went to the attorney later on.
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Old 09-15-2018, 12:36 PM
 
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She claims she didn't know Botham Jean. Her apartment could contain evidence to the contrary. In a crime of this nature it seems very unprofessional to leave such a large stone unturned.
They got Jean's cell phone and laptop. So if they knew each other the evidence would be there just as much as it would be in her apartment.
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Old 09-15-2018, 12:39 PM
 
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Serious question, do we know they didn't search her apartment? I haven't heard anything official.
For all we know they did but I haven't seen a release of the search warrant.
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Old 09-15-2018, 12:48 PM
 
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Funny how that witness didn't go to the police and report that but went to the attorney later on.

It could be because the police is not interested and is lying. Which they are. The story doesn't make sense. Either they knew each other and he let her in. Or after she attempted to get in, the guy went to the door to open and was killed at the door.

She is lying. and so is the police.

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Old 09-15-2018, 12:50 PM
 
Location: Plano, TX
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I agree. And its problematic in two ways.

1.) Because American society is so heavily armed, cops have to react to every person they deal with as if that person may have a gun. So we have twitchy, hair trigger cops.

2.) Because American society is so heavily armed, any unnecessary use of force can be blamed on the perceived notion that the victim may have been armed and thus presented a lethal threat.

Essentially having a heavily armed society makes everything much worse.

That has been my belief long before this particular incident.
I consider it more of a part of the "American culture" and don't believe any politician can easily change that. The only way to change a culture is to have enough people change their minds.
That can be as hard as converting people to a different religion and that process by itself can generate a lot of conflicts. But gun vendors exist because people are buying them. Every time a politician says a new restriction is coming the gun sales get stimulated. Ironically a gun vendor went bankrupt because the current president says no restriction would be enacted.


I've seen way too much how guns can cause harms and often times in unintended ways.
Too many people use guns to settle things that could have been resolved in more peaceful methods simply because they have access to them.


Frequently people shoot during domestic disputes, some of those even include police officers.
Then there are people who shoot due to road rage, due to being laid off, due to a business deal gets cancelled, due to losing in a video game contest, or even due to accidents when the triggers got pulled unintentionally and then kill someone. I also remember that case when a woman killed her whole family using the gun from grandfather who said to use it to protect the family.


But despite all that, it is very hard to raise the concern against the religion called gun ownership.
it is a religion, and you cannot really fight a religion.... Therefore the only alternative is to face the reality and do what we can to protect ourselves and family members assuming guns will be with us during our entire lives unless we move to a different country.
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Old 09-15-2018, 12:58 PM
 
Location: Clyde Hill, WA
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...In my mind both the cop and the guy shot are victims of the second amendment. As long as guns are commonly available the police are going to assume an armed opponent in any situation they consider dangerous. That is going to get the innocent killed.
This is an excellent point. Just take the barber who was recently shot in South Shore, Chicago. He was carrying a semiautomatic-style weapon with several clips in it. He was a working guy with no felonies, which made him eligible to buy the weapon.

Until just a few years ago, following SCOTUS decisions on the 2nd Amendment, this would been illegal in Chicago, and the guy would still be alive today. The cops would not have to live the rest of their lives with the burden of having to shoot an innocent barber.
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Old 09-15-2018, 12:59 PM
 
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It could be because the police is not interested and is lying. Which they are. The story doesn't make sense. Either they knew each other and he let her in. Or after she attended to get in, the guy went to the door to open and was killed at the door.

She is lying. and so is the police.
There was no blood spatter at the door, the gruesomeness was across the room. There was a very slight trail leading out which was from his removal.
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Old 09-15-2018, 01:10 PM
 
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Funny how that witness didn't go to the police and report that but went to the attorney later on.
That was one of the first things being reported.
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Old 09-15-2018, 01:12 PM
 
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There was no blood spatter at the door, the gruesomeness was across the room. There was a very slight trail leading out which was from his removal.
Tell us, what was on the end tables? Did you get any pictures?
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