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Old 10-13-2018, 08:28 AM
 
Location: Ohio
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Here it is folks!!!!!!!!!
The mental capacity, that does not see the wrong and the accountability for ones actions.
Murder for hire!
I see a clothes hanger on mantles around the nation as trophies.
Aborting an unwanted pregnancy IS being accountable.

I question the mental capacity of people who have children knowing full well they cannot properly care for them for whatever reason.
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Old 10-13-2018, 08:34 AM
 
Location: the very edge of the continent
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Aborting an unwanted pregnancy IS being accountable.
No, that's a grotesque back up plan for the egregiously irresponsible.
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Old 10-13-2018, 08:39 AM
 
Location: Ohio
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IMO, if pregnancy "could literally kill" you, it behooves YOU to solve that problem permanently.
The choice is yours: Celibacy, or by doing whatever it takes to make sure that you can NEVER become pregnant!
The fact remains, if RvW is overturned, abortion will become the province of the individual states.
I used BC to prevent pregnancy and if it had failed I would have taken responsibility and aborted.

And the states that ban abortion will have to live with the consequences...... it will cost them more and more tax dollars to deal with the social fallout that will invariably come with it.
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Old 10-13-2018, 08:42 AM
 
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I used BC to prevent pregnancy and if it had failed I would have taken responsibility and aborted.
Incredibly lame excuse. Anyone who gets behind the wheel of a car, controls of an aircraft, etc., knows that there's a chance that their choice may result in unwanted and irreversible consequences (death, serious injury, etc.). Why should having sex be any different? If you want to play, you have to pay if the consequences of your chosen activity are not what you wanted.
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Old 10-13-2018, 08:45 AM
 
Location: Ohio
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No, that's a grotesque back up plan for the egregiously irresponsible.
In your opinion.

So, you think using BC is egregiously irresponsible?

Do you really think people, including those who are married, are going to choose celibacy as birth control?

Good luck with that.
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Old 10-13-2018, 08:51 AM
 
Location: Ohio
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Incredibly lame excuse. Anyone who gets behind the wheel of a car, controls of an aircraft, etc., knows that there's a chance that their choice may result in unwanted and irreversible consequences (death, serious injury, etc.). Why should having sex be any different? If you want to play, you have to pay if the consequences of your chosen activity are not what you wanted.
And if someone is injured in a car or aircraft they will take advantage of medical care to mitigate the damages, just like choosing to abort is mitigating the damage caused by a BC failure.
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Old 10-13-2018, 08:55 AM
 
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In your opinion.

So, you think using BC is egregiously irresponsible?
Everyone knows one of the consequences of having sex is pregnancy. Everyone knows birth control is not 100% effective. If you're unwilling to accept the possible KNOWN consequences of your own choice to have sex, you have no business making such a choice.
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Old 10-13-2018, 08:58 AM
 
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And if someone is injured in a car or aircraft they will take advantage of medical care to mitigate the damages, just like choosing to abort is mitigating the damage caused by a BC failure.
Faulty analogy. Abortion is medically unnecessary in all but the most extreme cases.
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Old 10-13-2018, 09:05 AM
 
Location: Ohio
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Everyone knows one of the consequences of having sex is pregnancy. Everyone knows birth control is not 100% effective. If you're unwilling to accept the possible KNOWN consequences of your own choice to have sex, you have no business making such a choice.
Thinking people are going to use celibacy as birth control is a fool's dream.
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Old 10-13-2018, 09:13 AM
 
Location: Newport Beach, California
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I am a conservative and my answer is a big NO.

I don’t look at it as the right to an abortion. For me it’s much more fundamental… that a woman has the right to bodily autonomy. She has the absolute right to control every aspect of her person.

She has the right to control what happens to her body, period.

That means, among many other things, she has the right to terminate a pregnancy.

Her choices should be her own.

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Gay marriage is something I have no problem with either.

Requiring partners to be of opposing genders is entirely based upon social norms, and in a society where state recognition of relationship confers rights, is arbitrary and unjustifiable. When a state confers benefits on its citizens, it has to have solid reasons for restricting the eligibility of those benefits to a subset. I have heard no good reasons why it's reasonable to withhold those benefits from homosexuals.
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