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Old 09-14-2018, 12:54 AM
 
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On tape………...Trump told Woodward that if he had called he would have spoken to him...……...Woodward did not deny that and further stated he DID NOT call Trump directely. Nothing else including your BS is relevant. The world renowned reporter did not even attempt to call the subject of his reporting. That is a fact as verified on tape by Woodward himself.
And once again...so what? What is the point that you are making here?
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Old 09-14-2018, 01:06 AM
 
Location: Unperson Everyman Land
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As a source, Mark Felt (Depp Throat) was an anomaly. Felt contacted Woodward first, not the other way around, and he was never a prime source of information.

What Felt did was dribble out information to Woodward to keep Woodward and Bernstein on the right path. To keep them focused on who were the most important individuals and at what time they were the most important.

Watergate was so full of bit players who were not important to the investigation and were so outside the goings-on in the White House that Woodward and Bernstein were lost in the fog for months with no directions out until Felts showed up.
Everyone knew something happened and it was connected to the White House, but no one could understand why it happened. The break-in was so ludicrous, un-necessary, and pointless it needed explanation.

Felts knew almost everything, and what he didn't know was un-important. In becoming Deep Throat, he both risked his career and got revenge. Felts was the #2 man in the FBI under J. Edgar Hoover, and he expected to become the Director once Hoover retired. Hoover expected Felts would be his replacement. Felts had waited patiently for 20 years for it, and he was the natural and best choice.

But when Hoover died unexpectedly, Felts was passed over. Worse, he lost his #2 position eventually. It left him embittered, as some of Nixon's staff, such as John Mitchell, were responsible for it, and Felts believed Nixon may have initiated it.

His last days before retirement were approaching, and Felts saw Watergate as his way to get even with those guys, but he had to be very careful. If he was outed, his retirement would go up in smoke.

But Felts was also deeply patriotic and a law enforcement officer to the bone. He saw a crime was committed, and was covered up by the White House, and he wanted the guilty to be caught and punished. So part of Deep Throat was justified.

He certainly was careful revealing himself to Woodward. He danced Woodward around for weeks on the telephone, sending him hand-written notes, moving Woodward around town to places where they were to meet, but being a no-show until he felt secure than Woodward would not betray his identity to anyone.

And even after he revealed himself, Felts was very careful to avoid talking to Woodward in a way that could be caught by someone shadowing them. Felts would hide behind a column in a parking garage and talk to Woodward sight unseen in low whispers. No chance of a photograph. No chance of a microphone picking up their speech. The meetings were always very brief and often cryptic.

Felts gave Woodward clues, but the clues often took some time for Woodward to understand them. There were many times when Woodward misunderstood the clues and Felts would have to give the clues to him again, more specifically.

And once Felts decided he'd said enough, he suddenly stopped, went silent, and quit. He left a lot of things that were still unknown and vague when he did.
But Felts did get his revenge, and he did point the way enough to allow the pair of reporters to go all the way to the end and uncover it all.
And without Deep Throat, Nixon may have been protected enough to survive Watergate.

So roll you eyes if you must, momonkey, but you're mistaken. It was a 2-way street. Felts needed Woodward for his purposes just as much as Woodward needed Felts for his purposes.

But by the time Felts stepped forward, the stone wall around Nixon had already begun to crumble from other testimony by other people involved in Watergate. We will never know if Felt's Deep Throat clues were the things that drove Nixon down, but those clues were not the only clues, though they sped up Nixon's downfall.

Woodward never betrayed Felts. He kept his secret all the way until the day Felt's own son told the world Mark Felts was Deep Throat. Mark Felts asked his son to reveal that secret, as by then Felts was 90, in dementia, and wanted it revealed before he died.

By the time his son did it, Felts was so far gone mentally he couldn't confirm it, but while he still had enough mentality left to write a confirming letter, his son had some incontrovertible evidence his father was the man who changed American history.

Interesting, but irrelevant.
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Old 09-14-2018, 01:12 AM
 
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And once again...so what? What is the point that you are making here?
The point is that if you write a book about someone and fail to interview the person the book is about when you could have the credibility of the book is suspect.

Why is that so hard for you to understand?
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Old 09-14-2018, 01:21 AM
 
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The point is that if you write a book about someone and fail to interview the person the book is about when you could have the credibility of the book is suspect.

Why is that so hard for you to understand?
There are books written about dead folks and they are not around to debate or negate the validity. Trump is still around so he has the opportunity to argue and disprove any point Woodward made, so your point is moot.
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Old 09-14-2018, 01:22 AM
 
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There are books written about dead folks and they are not around to debate or negate the validity. Trump is still around so he has the opportunity to argue and disprove any point Woodward made. So your point is moot.
Too funny you are. Go to bed.
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Old 09-14-2018, 01:33 AM
 
Location: Old Mother Idaho
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There are books written about dead folks and they are not around to debate or negate the validity. Trump is still around so he has the opportunity to argue and disprove any point Woodward made, so your point is moot.
Trump can't argue his way out of a wet paper bag. he can't argue. He snivels.
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Old 09-14-2018, 01:56 AM
 
Location: Eugene, Oregon
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Woodward's reputation is excellent. He is nearly as well regarded for integrity, truth and accuracy as Walter Cronkite was from the 1940's to the 1970's. I will probably read his book.

Woodward has stuck a pin in the balloon of fantasy that the Trump cult thinks is reality. They're collectively frothing at the mouth and have no means to counter the facts that have been revealed. The social-psychological disorder that is described in the book, "When Prophecy Fails", accurately matches their behavior.

When such cult members are confronted with the failure of their agenda or predictions, they may double-down and profess even stronger support for them. The intensifying insistence of Trump's supporters that he is the best president ever and has done nothing wrong, is playing out, right before us. A hundred years from now, this debacle will probably still be described in psychology textbooks.
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Old 09-14-2018, 01:14 PM
 
Location: Florida
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Uh oh--you know it is bad when Eric Trump is on tv and they are letting him speak.

That nasty Woodward book appears to have brought out Eric's anti-semitism making a strikingly odd offensive comment that stretched all the way to Israel.

This is what happens when they let him out. This kid believes that Woodward only wrote this book to make money off of his father, rather than letting a grateful nation know what is really going on in the WH. Does little Eric know that Woodward has written a book on every administration? Well, probably not--he'd have to read to know that.

Trump kids should observe the adage that children should be seen and not heard.Dumb as rocks.

“Eric Trump said this morning that Bob Woodward made ‘three extra shekels at the behest of the American people’ with his book,” Bill Kristol, editor-at-large of the Weekly Standard and a noted critic of President Donald Trump, wrote on Twitter. “Is Eric too stupid to know he’s being anti-Semitic?”

https://www.politico.eu/article/eric...-after-remark/

https://www.haaretz.com/us-news/.pre...tism-1.6469378

https://www.newsweek.com/bob-woodwar...s-back-1119663
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Old 09-14-2018, 01:50 PM
 
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It's interesting that Woodward said he found no evidence of Trump Russia collusion and that he had looked for it. Maybe he should talk to Mueller.
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Old 09-14-2018, 01:57 PM
 
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It's interesting that Woodward said he found no evidence of Trump Russia collusion and that he had looked for it. Maybe he should talk to Mueller.
...and then he said:

"The reporter then added that he believes Mueller likely has "something" on Trump.

"We're going to see what Mueller has, and Dowd may be right," Woodward said. "He has something that Dowd and the president don't know about, a secret witness or somebody who has changed their testimony. As you know, that often happens, and that can break open or turn a case.""

https://nordic.businessinsider.com/b...-trump-2018-9/
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