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Hmmm. . . . the Canadian, English, French, Germans, Dutch, Norwegians, Swiss, Japanese etc. . .
ALL pay less then USA pays for universal health care.
And they are all healthier and live longer then USA.
What part of pay less don't you understand ?
life expectancy in the US in actually going down.
even people with insurance put off going to the doctor because of high deductibles and co-pays. Preventative medicine is actually cheaper in the long run.
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The bloated military allows the MIC to rake in more taxpayer dollars. Our spend on the military is higher than the next 10 countries combined, but it's never enough. They demand more, more, more, and the GOP gladly ponies up again and again and again.
Meanwhile, we can't help Americans afford something as basic as healthcare, something every other civilized country on the planet seems to manage to do. Why?
the GOP literally votes to give more money to the Pentagon than even they ask for!!!! It's completely insane.
we have tens of thousands of troops in Germany and Japan 75 years after WWII ended but "our troops can't stay in Puerto Rico forever" after a natural disaster that killed almost 3,000.
If you think health insurance companies are so compassionate and efficient, then why do they routinely deny sick people medical care to increase their profits and why does the US spend three times as much on health care administration costs than other countries? What do you think the hundreds of thousands of medical billing clerks do? Thats not a compassionate and efficient system. Thats a system of waste, fraud and abuse.
And if they are so compassionate why in the world would they balk at pre-existing conditions? Why would they refuse to insure you, or gouge you with ultra high premiums, just because you happened to miss your sign up date for Medicare by a month? People that make those kind of statements are either working for the insurance companies, are totally clueless, or have never had a day of sickness or an injury in their life.
If you think its bad now, wait until politicians are fully running everyones health care. But I bet you think the answer is more govt.
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even people with insurance put off going to the doctor because of high deductibles and co-pays. Preventative medicine is actually cheaper in the long run.
Yet no one ever asks why things are so expensive, they just look for ways to make someone else pick up their tab
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the GOP literally votes to give more money to the Pentagon than even they ask for!!!! It's completely insane.
Agree, but let us know when Dems make meaningful cuts to the budget. Every segment of the budget should be slashed and burned, but hard to do when people think everything including gravity will cease without govt and taxes.
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we have tens of thousands of troops in Germany and Japan 75 years after WWII ended but "our troops can't stay in Puerto Rico forever" after a natural disaster that killed almost 3,000.
And if they are so compassionate why in the world would they balk at pre-existing conditions? Why would they refuse to insure you, or gouge you with ultra high premiums, just because you happened to miss your sign up date for Medicare by a month? People that make those kind of statements are either working for the insurance companies, are totally clueless, or have never had a day of sickness or an injury in their life.
Too bad you ignored my response to that post. Honesty is in short supply these days.
it was a first step and the republicans lied about it to scare voters. Then they spent the next term blocking Obama from implementing ACA as intended. and as soon as they got Trump in they started to completely destroy it.
ACA would have worked fine if the Repubs did not do everything they could to break it. From suing in state after state to refusing funding in order to make if fail in their states .
Obama did not have the senate and house long enough to get it up and running. and DESPITE all that ACA worked great in many blue states until Trump debased defunded and destabilized it.
Republicans were unable to stomach the thought of a successful healthcare program that was created by the liberals, they would rather people die and go bankrupt than see the democratic party successfully bring healthcare to every american.
first of all,. you saying "fake" doesn't change a blessed thing. Republicans couldn't fight it. It was entirely turned over to the Health and Human Services department to implement. they on purpose delayed the penalties to get Obama re-elected. period. that's not debatable.
and your point that it was a "first step" is exactly my point. It was designed to fail Obama said as much on multiple occasions. This was all about moving toward "we cant fix this system its too broken so lets go to medicare for all".
ACA could never have worked with or without Republican intervention. Republicans didn't interfere until at least 6 years after it was passed.
It was a bad law. It created vastly more demand without taking serious consideration for supply. Its basic economics.
There's plenty you can do about it. Refute the charge, hire an attorney, fight for the truth.
Hospitals strongarm people because nobody ever fights back. That's not insurance companies doing it, it's the point of sale. If you can prove, which it sounds like you can, that the doctor who billed you wasn't actually there when the billing allegedly occurred, that doctor and his hospital can be sued for fraud. WTF do you mean there's nothing you can do about it?
And just because they bill you does not mean you have to pay. Receiving a bill for a service you never received, agreed to, etc is fraudulent and attempted extortion, imho. I get an annual demand to pay my 2006 state taxes again, and every year, I fight back and refuse to pay for something I already paid. And that's against government.
Seriously....why do people just lie down and let stuff like this happen to them? You should get an attorney and wreak havoc on that doctor, that ER and that hospital. Burnt to the ground, salted earth havoc.
You need to put a big fat retainer down to hire a lawyer. I do not have that.
1300 or 1400 is not enough to interest any attorney for contingent.
If you dont pay... In NJ they go to debt collectors at 3-4 months or so and get an automatic court order for garnishment. Its a big racket here.
Too bad you ignored my response to that post. Honesty is in short supply these days.
Read your post and I am in total disagreement with it. The idea that health care can ever be effective or fair as a "free market" is a fallacy. Why? Because, as has been pointed out many times - healthcare is generally a market with inflexible or inelastic demand. This is particularly true for those with serious illnesses or injuries, and of course these are the types of medical events that lead many Americans to bankruptcy.
In most countries, government has seen fit to REGULATE markets like health care - because it's the right thing to do. In other words, those regulations/systems protect their citizens against the risk of being financially devastated by a serious illness. Without regulation, why would any health care provider or insurance company hesitate to charge what ever they want? Like they do now in the USA? If you think the "free market" is going to stop them you are dreaming.
We all know how this will work out. The working man with employer provided insurance will get screwed to give baby’s momma and baby’s daddy health insurance.
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