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Old 09-14-2018, 06:46 PM
 
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A private citizen canít meet with a foreign power, what was stated at the meeting that meets the standard.

When Reagan met with the Japanese PM for $1M right after his presidency did he violate the Logan Act.
IDK but I doubt they will dig him up and prosecute.
The left has gone full bat ****crazy so it can't totally be ruled out.
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Old 09-15-2018, 02:42 AM
 
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You disappointed me Fredo...
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Old 09-15-2018, 03:13 AM
 
Location: Eugene, Oregon
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The Logan Act (1 Stat. 613, 18 U.S.C. ß 953, enacted January 30, 1799) is a United States federal law that criminalizes negotiation by unauthorized persons with foreign governments having a dispute with the United States. The intent behind the Act is to prevent unauthorized negotiations from undermining the government's position.

John Kerry thinks he is still Secretary of State, just as Obama thinks he is still President of the Untied States. Kerry is breaking the Law (unless with permission from the Trump Administration) by advising Iran on their actions against the USA and President Trumpl

Obama is breaking the Law when he advises PM Trudeau on their actions against the USA and President Trump.
The prohibition against private U. S. citizens negotiating with other countries about our government's policies or disputes, is a true thing. But in the case of Obama and Kerry speaking to the leaders of Iran and Canada, no negotiations were involved. They were just speaking as private individuals and expressing their personal opinions about the advisability of avoiding dealings with Trump. Something any sane person would be saying. If you wrote a letter to Trudeau, telling him that he should have no qualms about making a deal with Trump, should you be charged with a federal offence?
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Old 09-15-2018, 03:20 AM
 
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The prohibition against private U. S. citizens negotiating with other countries about our government's policies or disputes, is a true thing. But in the case of Obama and Kerry speaking to the leaders of Iran and Canada, no negotiations were involved. They were just speaking as private individuals and expressing their personal opinions about the advisability of avoiding dealings with Trump. Something any sane person would be saying. If you wrote a letter to Trudeau, telling him that he should have no qualms about making a deal with Trump, should you be charged with a federal offence?

You don't know that. None of us do. Maybe the CIA but they won't be telling us.

I can't see how the left would have a problem if the intel agencies were targeting the left.

They have shown no concern for that kind of activity.
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Old 09-15-2018, 12:52 PM
 
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I wonder how much Iran paid Kerry. Less than they paid Obama no doubt.
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Old 09-15-2018, 01:24 PM
 
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On a side note, you may be wondering where this is all coming from at this point in time. Well, there's been this little whisper in the wind that Kerry may run for President in 2020. So what is a Trump to do? Let his Administration try to throw mud at Kerry. It's just politics as usual Folks.


"On a side note" ...... John Kerry has a book coming out that he is promoting and that's why he is running all over town giving interviews. Is it really President Trump's fault or Secretary Pompeo's fault that Kerry is confessing to all this stuff to sell his book??

No mud to throw until Kerry made a big mud pile and then started advertising it.
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Old 09-15-2018, 01:25 PM
 
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A private citizen canít meet with a foreign power, what was stated at the meeting that meets the standard.

When Reagan met with the Japanese PM for $1M right after his presidency did he violate the Logan Act.
Maybe ..... there are rules about that stuff.

Post the LINK to the meeting and we can all check it out.
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Old 09-15-2018, 01:32 PM
 
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There's a law to address exactly this kind of circumstance. It's called the Logan Act. Pompuso should either just prosecute John Kerry under that law, or shut up about it. Kerry is obviously trying to save this administration from itself. Put up or shut up.
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Old 09-15-2018, 01:36 PM
 
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Given the new standard, Trump is now justified in getting a FISA warrant to spy on Obama and Kerry.
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Old 09-15-2018, 01:45 PM
 
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The prohibition against private U. S. citizens negotiating with other countries about our government's policies or disputes, is a true thing. But in the case of Obama and Kerry speaking to the leaders of Iran and Canada, no negotiations were involved. They were just speaking as private individuals and expressing their personal opinions about the advisability of avoiding dealings with Trump. Something any sane person would be saying. If you wrote a letter to Trudeau, telling him that he should have no qualms about making a deal with Trump, should you be charged with a federal offence?
Read what you just wrote.

You agree that we have a US Law against "private U.S. citizens" (the term is actually "unauthorized")
getting involved in "policy" discussions with a Foreign Power - and then you say "it doesn't count".

"Personal opinions" don't get a pass, "private citizen" is not a pass. -- The entire thing is about Undermining US Policy and not having any Authorization to do so. This is probably one of the reasons that George Bush didn't go rushing around the World having meetings after Obama was elected. Giving speeches to International Organizations is one thing -- meeting with Foreign Leaders to tell them to ignore the President of the USA and his Administration is quite another.

The Logan Act (1 Stat. 613, 18 U.S.C. ß 953, enacted January 30, 1799) is a United States federal law that criminalizes negotiation by unauthorized persons with foreign governments having a dispute with the United States. The intent behind the Act is to prevent unauthorized negotiations from undermining the government's position.

This is the Exact Text

ß 953. Private correspondence with foreign governments.

Any citizen of the United States, wherever he may be, who, without authority of the United States, directly or indirectly commences or carries on any correspondence or intercourse with any foreign government or any officer or agent thereof, with intent to influence the measures or conduct of any foreign government or of any officer or agent thereof, in relation to any disputes or controversies with the United States, or to defeat the measures of the United States, shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than three years, or both.

This section shall not abridge the right of a citizen to apply himself, or his agent, to any foreign government, or the agents thereof, for redress of any injury which he may have sustained from such government or any of its agents or subjects.


This is the bottom line folks -- at some point, we have to decide ....
Are we a Nation of Laws? or do we just Cherry Pick the Laws that we agree with??
Do "special people" (ie The Elite) get a "pass" on Laws? Or does the Law apply to all Citizens??
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