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I wonder how much Iran paid Kerry. Less than they paid Obama no doubt.
Silly Goose ..... think about this a little further.
Iran doesn't pay John Kerry and TeamObama ..... Kerry & TeamObama PAID Iran.
This is not about MONEY (for Kerry & TeamObama) is about the Grand Legacy and their view on how the World should be - all the work they did to make the World into their "vision".
One of the best things we had going for us a country was the smooth transition of power.
What we are seeing now is a failed party removed from power but clinging to it. An attempt to delegitimately rule and self justify with the ultimate goal to create chaos and destroy a system of gov. they have no respect for. It has emboldened our enemies who rightfully see it as opportunity to gain advantage over a divided nation.
You agree that we have a US Law against "private U.S. citizens" (the term is actually "unauthorized")
getting involved in "policy" discussions with a Foreign Power - and then you say "it doesn't count".
"Personal opinions" don't get a pass, "private citizen" is not a pass. -- The entire thing is about Undermining US Policy and not having any Authorization to do so. This is probably one of the reasons that George Bush didn't go rushing around the World having meetings after Obama was elected. Giving speeches to International Organizations is one thing -- meeting with Foreign Leaders to tell them to ignore the President of the USA and his Administration is quite another.
The Logan Act (1 Stat. 613, 18 U.S.C. § 953, enacted January 30, 1799) is a United States federal law that criminalizes negotiation by unauthorized persons with foreign governments having a dispute with the United States. The intent behind the Act is to prevent unauthorized negotiations from undermining the government's position.
This is the Exact Text
§ 953. Private correspondence with foreign governments.
Any citizen of the United States, wherever he may be, who, without authority of the United States, directly or indirectly commences or carries on any correspondence or intercourse with any foreign government or any officer or agent thereof, with intent to influence the measures or conduct of any foreign government or of any officer or agent thereof, in relation to any disputes or controversies with the United States, or to defeat the measures of the United States, shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than three years, or both.
This section shall not abridge the right of a citizen to apply himself, or his agent, to any foreign government, or the agents thereof, for redress of any injury which he may have sustained from such government or any of its agents or subjects.
This is the bottom line folks -- at some point, we have to decide ....
Are we a Nation of Laws? or do we just Cherry Pick the Laws that we agree with??
Do "special people" (ie The Elite) get a "pass" on Laws? Or does the Law apply to all Citizens??
If true then Manafort is also ripe for prosecution under the Logan Act for taking money from the Russians, our adversary to overthrow Ukraine.
Silly Goose ..... think about this a little further.
Iran doesn't pay John Kerry and TeamObama ..... Kerry & TeamObama PAID Iran.
This is not about MONEY (for Kerry & TeamObama) is about the Grand Legacy and their view on how the World should be - all the work they did to make the World into their "vision".
Obama returned to Iran money that belonged to them. It was not a payment, it was unfrozen assets.
What a surprise. (Not). You somehow left out the part where Kerry debriefed Pompeo after the meetings. Another Trump Administration nothing burger, but nice try though.
So Kerry was there on behalf of the current administration? He was there as an official representative of the United States government?
Yeah I didn't think so. So he briefed the Trump admin after he violated the law? Nice, sort of like briefing the police after the crime.
I can only imagine the left if some one did that to the Obama admin.
Its not unprecedented, it is exactly what Mike Flynn and the Trump administration were doing between the election and when Trump took office. They were telling Russia not to worry about the sanctions because the Trump administration would change course.
Also, Tom Cotton and a bunch of GOP senators sent a letter to Iran to undermine the nuclear talks.
The difference in all of this is that those mentioned above were all government employees and it was improper. Kerry is a private citizen, if he is not taking money for what he is doing, it is 100% legal. If he was taking money, then he would be an unreported foreign lobbyist like Flynn and Manafort which would be as we all know now, illegal
Totally different. We are not the Ukraine.
It has nothing to do with the overthrow of this country.
Manafort was backed by Russian money in the over throw of Ukraine, we have an interest in them remaining independent. Flynn and many others had contacts with Russia in 2016, seems selective to single out Kerry. There more to come on his connections to Russia.
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