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Old 09-14-2018, 06:30 PM
 
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Trump will have to fire Sessions before he can fire Mueller, because Sessions is Mueller's boss and Trump isn't. N President can fire an employee. They can only fire members of their staff and cabinet.

Trump could always fire Sessions, replace him with someone else who then would fire Mueller, but when Nixon did just that during Watergate- it was called the Saturday Night Massacre- the firings created the Congressional investigation which ultimately drove Nixon out of office.

Since Mueller's investigation is near completion and Sessions was a Senator for a long time, Trump won't fire either of them. Mueller might go, but his investigation will remain, and one of Mueller's crew could take over without missing a beat. Congress could step in and prevent the firings.

Trump's cornered. If he begins firing people, he'll be impeached. The best he can do is grit it out and take his chances with the investigation's final findings.

There aren't very many people who can connect Trump to any wrongdoing. Less than a handful, and some of them are his children. If none say of them anything that will implicate Trump, Mueller has nothing for charges.

But Mueller may not be Trump's greatest danger. If there is nothing federal in any implication, the findings may go to the New York Special District Court where state charges may apply. And then Trump would face both impeachment and criminal charges afterward.

It's the same bind that trapped Manafort today.
The federal charges he was convicted of didn't carry as much prison time alone as the state charges would have added upon another conviction he faced in state court.
I agree with most of what you say.
I disagree with the impeachment of Trump if he fires Sessions. Trump has a right to have a cabinet appointment he has confidence in and there are more in congress that support that right than there was. It is a risk though. Its a matter of timing and the coming election.

DAG Rosenstein is under investigation and could resign, be fired or indicted. He's in the same situation as McCabe before McCabe was fired. He isn't fully functional in his job now. He can't sign off on FISA warrants.
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Old 09-14-2018, 06:31 PM
 
Location: Los Angeles
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I forgot about it already. Has Mueller gotten around to busting jaywalkers yet?
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Old 09-14-2018, 06:41 PM
 
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Fire Mueller? Nah, he needs to be prosecuted for wasting taxpayer $$$$ in this giant boondoggle.
Are you talking about Trump or Mueller wasting taxpayer dollars? Trump is a huge waste of taxpayer dollars.

Actually Mueller was able to obtain $46 M from Manafort in his plea deal. I think he's paying for himself quite nicely.
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Old 09-14-2018, 08:14 PM
 
Location: SDL/PDX/RDU
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Reaction will probably be similar to how it worked out for Nixon after the "Saturday Night Massacre".
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Old 09-14-2018, 08:17 PM
 
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I forgot about it already. Has Mueller gotten around to busting jaywalkers yet?
Yep, just a big nothing burger, lol.
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Old 09-14-2018, 08:29 PM
 
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I forgot about it already. Has Mueller gotten around to busting jaywalkers yet?
Nah, just trumpís lawyer and campaign manager.
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Old 09-15-2018, 12:25 AM
 
Location: Unperson Everyman Land
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Well Trump supporters are already completely certain that Trump is innocent and that the Mueller investigation is a deep state/leftist conspiracy to remove him. Fox News and hate radio promote that narrative 24/7. They want Trump to fire Mueller because to them, that's justice served.

Actually, only one of us in this conversation speaks for a Trump supporter.

What you are doing (and quite obviously, BTW) is projecting your desire onto Trump supporters that they back what would be, at this point, the bailing out of Mueller.

Mueller, being fired by Trump is the only way to avoid the next phase of this investigation, which is the investigation of the attempted coup by big name Democrats and their sleazy friends in the upper echelons of the Obama DOJ.
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Old 09-15-2018, 12:29 AM
 
Location: Unperson Everyman Land
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Like you care. You're going to defend him no matter what he does, so stop acting like his morality or ethics is part of your support.

Do you happen to have a baseless accusation to back up that vague insinuation?
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Old 09-15-2018, 01:27 AM
 
Location: Eugene, Oregon
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LOL. No way.

If Trump fires Mueller, it will be the clearest indication yet of guilt and obstruction of justice. I gather that his staff keeps hammering at him not to try this, as it was what snowballed into Nixon's downfall.

I'm intrigued at your first sentence - that you think Trump supporters would feel vindicated by Mueller's firing. Surely any Republican who valued truth and justice would only feel vindicated by a thorough investigation that cleared him.

It's a mistake to think that Trump supporters don't recognize what a crook he is. But, they think that he's their crook and will give them an advantage over the rest of us. What the majority of them seem unable to comprehend, is that they will be damaged by his policies more than any others. How many of them will awaken to this fact and how soon, will play a big role in the elections this November.
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Old 09-15-2018, 01:30 AM
 
Location: Washington State
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Trump supporters will be ecstatic as they will feel vindicated and that justice has been served. Meanwhile to the rest of the country it will look like the Saturday Night Massacre. While Trump supporters are 100% certain the entire thing is a leftist conspiracy to overthrow the 2016 election and there is absolutely nothing in the world that could convince them otherwise, the rest of the country isn't so convinced.

How do you see things playing out if Trump fires Mueller? Do you think people will just forget about it and move on or do you think it will actually complicate Trump's problems?
Most American have already forgotten about it and moved on....Mueller can continue prosecuting crimes he knew of when he was FBI head that he ignored then and now is prosecuting.
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