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Old 09-16-2018, 07:43 AM
 
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Really? When was the last time you were in Europe. I spend some time there this spring. I felt safer than I do in many parts of the USA. BTW, all you have to look at the rate of murders in the USA versus Europe, and tell me who is safer. The USA is a much more violent society than any country in Europe, so perhaps you better look in the mirror and start worrying about people who look like you.

The poster indicated that Europe is going to trash, and that there is more crime than there would have been if that fat cow Merkel hadn't thrown open the gates to millions of young men from the Middle East and North Africa. You have done nothing to refute that assumption. Your "trip to Europe last Spring" notwithstanding. I travel to Europe every year. Last time I was in Vienna city center it looked like I was in Riyadh, Saudi Arabia judging by the number of women walking around with sheets over their heads. Same thing with many parts of Berlin. Only difference is the churches haven't yet been pulled down or converted to mosques. But that's already happening in many places. I guess the LGBT folks and the liberated women should enjoy themselves in these European end times. If Lebanon is any indication, once the demographics flip it's going to be a helluva lot different experience in Europe. Freedom dies where Islam blooms. That's reality. European notions of openness and liberalism will last only as long as these people who follow Islam remain a minority. But when they can grab power and actually change things......?

For now the socialists and left in Europe will align with them because Islam supports redistribution of European money to their religious cohorts. But every.single.social.survey. indicates that on social issues, Europe's Muslims are absolutely regressive. Not a minority, either. MAJORITIES of the ordinary Muslims in Europe. They make the US' evangelicals blush with their attitudes towards women, suicide bombing, gays, etc. In Britain... BRITAIN!!... MAJORITIES of Muslims think homosexuality should be CRIMINALIZED. Not "oh, we don't believe in gay marriage or don't want to bake a cake..." but CRIMINALIZED. Britain. 2018.



Look, do you people not understand that Europe has BEEN "safer" than the US historically (well, you know, except all those damned world wars) because it HASN'T had the problems of multi-cultural and multi-racial conflict that typified the American experience? And yet in their mad dash to turn into a hodge-podge continent of no-culture-but-unified-consumerist-market, Europeans haven't quite figured out that their values and way of life won't survive influx of masses of people who don't share those values. You don't import third world garbage religions faster than you can assimilate them. But that's what's happening, and you and any European who thinks there aren't going to be problems because.... because what? Europeans are special?.... are damned fools.


"Migrants and refugees" in Germany, for example, are 10X over-represented in killings and murders. (They are responsible for 15% of such crimes, despite being only 1% of the population). Since 2015 Germany has also seen an increase in crime, which had otherwise been falling - like it has been falling across the western world. Including the United States. Criminologists who study crime can probably chalk that natural decline up to aging populations and abortion in the 80s and 90s reducing the pool of likely criminals from poor families (yes, this is a theory). But now, in today's "Brave New World of basically no border" in Germany, the number of murders increased by 14.6% and rapes by 8% between 2014 and 2016, driven basically by "migrants."


This is what is happening. And it's driving the populist gains across the continent. The feckless leaders of the EU scratch their heads but don't understand they're tying their own nooses. I honestly wouldn't even care if they all end up swinging from them someday, put there by angry mobs, because they deserve it for being ****ing idiots who have given away their continent to globalists in the interest of money.



BTW: White people in the US have a murder rate that puts them in line with Belgium. So, be careful when you tell someone to "look in the mirror and start worrying about people who look like you."

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Old 09-16-2018, 07:48 AM
 
Location: The Republic of Texas
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Have you been there? i was thinking of going to Budapest, Hungary for a week. I became more interested since the EU punished Hungary for refusing immigrants they didn't want.



Not anytime recently, but I have been all over Europe many decades ago, including Poland & Hungary.
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Old 09-16-2018, 08:09 AM
 
Location: SE Arizona - FINALLY! :D
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Spent nearly 7 years living in Europe when I was young - and LOVED it.
Going back tomorrow actually - for a family wedding (and some sight-seeing).
Paris, Crete, mainland Greece.
Should be fun - and not worried in the slightest.


Ken
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Old 09-16-2018, 08:14 AM
 
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Spent nearly 7 years living in Europe when I was young - and LOVED it.
Going back tomorrow actually - for a family wedding (and some sight-seeing).
Paris, Crete, mainland Greece.
Should be fun - and not worried in the slightest.


Ken


Do you think things have changed in 50 years?


Should be fun in Greece so long as you stay away from the places being hard-hit with "migrant" waves, such as Lampedusa:






Just look at all those women and children "refugees" fleeing violence!


God, whenever I'm embarrassed about American behaviors or thinking, I just think about how utterly dumb and susceptible to globalist propaganda and reflexive ethno-masochism Europeans are (due to their guilt for simply EXISTING and being prosperous) and it makes me feel a bit better.
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Old 09-16-2018, 08:40 AM
 
Location: SE Arizona - FINALLY! :D
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Do you think things have changed in 50 years?


Should be fun in Greece so long as you stay away from the places being hard-hit with "migrant" waves, such as Lampedusa:






Just look at all those women and children "refugees" fleeing violence!


God, whenever I'm embarrassed about American behaviors or thinking, I just think about how utterly dumb and susceptible to globalist propaganda and reflexive ethno-masochism Europeans are (due to their guilt for simply EXISTING and being prosperous) and it makes me feel a bit better.
Has Europe changed since I was first there?
Sure - it's a LOT better: Cleaner, more modern, more prosperous, more choices in dining shopping, etc.
So don't try and tell me about Europe. You don't know Jack about Europe. I have FAMILY living in Europe.

As far as "refugees" fleeing persecution goes - why did YOUR family come to America?
Your think that YOUR ancestors were somehow BETTER than the folks today?
I got news for you, they WERE'NT.

Ken
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Old 09-16-2018, 08:42 AM
 
Location: Colorado Springs
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Europe is just as safe as itís always been.

Why Americans listen to that crap is beyond me.
Its mostly white supremacists who are spreading these lies in a attempt to turn people against immigrants.
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Old 09-16-2018, 08:51 AM
 
Location: Boston, MA
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Do you think things have changed in 50 years?


Should be fun in Greece so long as you stay away from the places being hard-hit with "migrant" waves, such as Lampedusa:






Just look at all those women and children "refugees" fleeing violence!


God, whenever I'm embarrassed about American behaviors or thinking, I just think about how utterly dumb and susceptible to globalist propaganda and reflexive ethno-masochism Europeans are (due to their guilt for simply EXISTING and being prosperous) and it makes me feel a bit better.
What should really scare the women in Europe is that most of the refugees seem to be men.
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Old 09-16-2018, 08:53 AM
 
Location: AZ
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What should really scare the women in Europe is that most of the refugees seem to be men.
Yet another lame attempt at fear-mongering from the right.

Put it back in the deck.
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Old 09-16-2018, 08:54 AM
 
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The OP's point was that concern about crime in Europe was BS. Gypsies are crime for the most part.

And yes, you were indeed trying to downplay gypsy crime as a some sort of simplistic local cultural "flavor" simply to be experienced.

Americans should be aware of this if planning to travel in those areas.
The average American tourist wonít even notice the Roma, and couldnít distinguish a Roma from anyone else in the local population. Hell, the average American canít even make simple distinctions right here in their own country, let alone in Europe.

And to say that the Roma are inherently synonymous with crime by just being alive is bunk, and itís dangerous to go around propagating such nonsense when they suffered proportionally more than anyone during the Holocaust. Europeans caricatured Jews in that way too, and youíre coming perilously close to sounding like a Nazi yourself.

P.S. I know what the OP meant, and the OP was absolutely correct.


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Europe is turning to trash. It's not quite there yet. It is obviously more violent than it would be without the 'enrichment' of human flotsam floating across the Mediterranean and pouring over the borders from the Middle East. But, it's going to probably be at least 20 years before the worst affects are felt (assuming nothing changes).
No, it isnít turning into trash. Again, itís no less safer than itís ever been. Pretty obvious that youíve never been to Europe anyway.
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Old 09-16-2018, 08:58 AM
 
Location: southern california
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I am a former Paris resident
Mr trump is correct -it is no longer the Paris that I knew -I was there 1972 to 1977 and went back for a visit in 2014 just before they shot up the cartoon office -
There are rich American people that I know that will go to Paris no matter what -they are utterly blind to their surrounding -they live in a Paris in their head not the one on the street
They believe that because nothing bad has ever happened to them -it never will -and because they can’t understand the language they think everybody likes them and means them well
I also have some rich smart American friends that stopped going -robbed and assaulted twice in spain
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