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Old 09-14-2018, 09:45 PM
 
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Guess we'll just have to agree to disagree.
That's reasonable.
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Old 09-14-2018, 09:47 PM
 
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no one needed to think he was a good choice. they just needed to think he was a better choice than hillary. outside of the nut jobs in CA, the country did.
I didn't and I am in Texas--
The lie that he was a "better" choice than Hillary is just one that the GOP/alt-right/we-hate-Clinton crowd has pushed to legitimize people making a REALLY BAD choice by voting for Trump...

Trump has done nothing in his business life except shady deals
He has done nothing in his personal life, if you really lift that rock, that any sane person would admire
He was a non-existant parent who really "phoned it in" literally as Ivanka has told over and over without realizing how bad it reveals Trump to be...
He cheated on all his wives--he even cheated on his family when he renigged on a promise made to his brother to provide health insurance for the brother's family--he squeezed them out of their family shares by holding their need for health insurance over their heads...
He is a cheat and a liar and pretty proud of it...

Trump is worse than dog excrement on the subway grating you walk around when you see it coming up

26% of the voting mass voted for Trump
That is not a majority by any means
It isn't even a viable minority
And the fact that the GOP has gerrymandered states to ensure repetitive wins for Congressional races and state legislatures in certain states with a VIABLE balance between Dems and Republics is the only reason McConnell and Ryan are where they are and why Gorsuch is where he is...
They cheated
And they cheated in 2016 to ensure their "useful idiot" Trump won in the electoral college...

And hopefully Mueller's trailers are drawing to a close and we will see the blockbuster feature we have been getting glimpses of while we have been waiting through some other interesting but lesser fare...
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Old 09-14-2018, 09:48 PM
 
Location: Lost in Montana *recalculating*...
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Very true, we're really going to have to examine as a country what led to so many of our citizens jettisoning their sanity and putting such a uniquely unqualified lunatic in power.
It’s simply called ‘gullible stupidity’.

Not much else to it, really.
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Old 09-14-2018, 09:49 PM
 
Location: Lost in Montana *recalculating*...
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Let us not forget that Hillary won the popular vote by almost 3M. So no, a strategic electoral win (assisted by Russian interference and Trumps criminal counterparts) placed him in office, not “the country.”
Yeouch!!!
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Old 09-14-2018, 09:51 PM
 
Location: Atlanta, GA (Sandy Springs)
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He spoke to the core interests of his voter base, who were purposefully ignored and deceived by decades by cutout politicians who served other interests. That's your answer. And it it quite obvious, btw. Starting with the 2016 election season. This is not rocket science. Stating that this is a mystery borders on incredible.

Even a modicum of movement toward their interests is better representation that any Neocon has ever offered. In fact, Trump simply giving their interests a (begrudged) mainstream platform has helped them more than any other politician has. You cannot, with any true honesty, seek to convince a Trump voter that the Bush's (for example) better represented them than does Trump.

Similarly, the progressives became overt racial-interest politicians for groups competing with the majority group Trump voters, seeking ever-further racial political rent and other related resources. Hence, you cannot sit there and try to convince a Trump voter that there were any leaders for them in the other party.

Last, your characterization of Trump as a "clown show" will ring hollow and read as deaf to Trump voters, because the truth is that their perception is that the commie machine in this nation has not let Trump breath for a single moment, since inauguration, and do his job. What they see is only an opposition circus, the source of the "clown show" that is hurting this nation, and they are not wrong.

Trump may be a "clown show" as you state, but the fact is that he hasn't been allowed to have the elbow room to prove it either way. If he had been allowed that space, perhaps he would have proven you correct in a manner that would have allowed your accusation to speak for itself. The truth of the matter is that the rabid commie hate for Trump has tainted that accusation and made him into a permanently sympathetic figure. This process was not helped by the ongoing obvious rabid media bias, to include the fake polling and everything else, in the elections season. When you mortgage your credibility, you can't expect to have your ongoing histrionic behavior and accusations read as credible.

Stop faking ignorance as to why Trump is in office. Its obvious to anyone with an IQ over 100. Moreover, this brand of approach will lead to someone far more serious than Trump in his Office in the future. You can bank on that. You may, in fact, get the leader that you are taunting his base for not having elected. You probably don't want that. Start taking the reality of this nation a little more seriously to avoid that outcome.
First of all, your use of "commie" pegs you as someone of less political sophistication than you attempt to come off as here. Virtually no one on either side of the spectrum actually supports communism in America.

Second, your assertion that Trump has not been allowed a chance to implement his policies is ludicrous. The fact is that he doesn't have any policies to implement. He doesn't give a **** about policy of any kind. He spends his time watching TV and tweeting, not studying the issues or working on policy like all past presidents D or R. He is the most intellectually vacuous leader we have had at the helm.

Third, in regards to the bolded, you could not be more wrong. I would welcome a qualified conservative leader far more than this clown show. He is an embarrassment to this nation and it will take us a long time to live him down.
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Old 09-14-2018, 09:56 PM
 
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The FBI is run with Obama holders, who should have all been fired the day Trump took office.
Wrong. Trump appointees are running the fbi. Mueller is also a republican.

Why do trump supporters always know the least about anything being discussed?
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Old 09-14-2018, 10:01 PM
 
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In a federal fishing expedition targeting political figures, with unlimited funds and large scale political pressure, there was never any doubt that guilty pleas were forthcoming. That's how the feds work. You get charged with something that you have to plead guilty to, regardless of the actual case against you, because the penalty for not doing that is simply to large if you are later convicted.
How this looks to at least half the nation is like a politically corrupt and undemocratic strong arming of a democratically elected administration. [/quote]

Oh. But the Trump supporter juror on the first Manafort trial who gave interviews said all of the objective hard evidence showed Manafort was guilty beyond a reasonable doubt. This ain't no fishing expedition and it ain't no witch hunt either.

The Trump investigation affirms what the founding fathers wanted -- a system of checks and balances to prevent a bad president from gaining absolute power and to provide a safety valve to eject him or her from the office if there is wrongdoing. The Constitution does not provide a guarantee that a democratically elected president gets to serve a full four year term. They have to stay on good behavior and not do anything impeachable.
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Old 09-14-2018, 11:15 PM
 
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Wrong. Trump appointees are running the fbi. Mueller is also a republican.

Why do trump supporters always know the least about anything being discussed?
Because Hannit....err... Trump.
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Old 09-14-2018, 11:54 PM
 
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Actually, more than half of the nation is fine with Mueller's investigation. Only 30% believe Trump over Mueller.
Thar would be 0% since, you know, Mueller hasn't actually said anything that can be believed or disbelieved about Trump.
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Old 09-14-2018, 11:59 PM
 
Location: La lune et les étoiles
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With Trump, if you're indicted, you're invited
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