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Old 09-15-2018, 03:34 PM
 
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Ok, I got it


Left = Cry Babies
Liberals= Even Bigger Cry Babies.
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Old 09-15-2018, 03:39 PM
 
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I've been saying this for a while now. The conflating of the two terms has been driving me nuts. Classic liberalism is a great noble thing in my opinion. Far left progressives not so much.
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Really 'progressive' is not the most accurate/descriptive term either. Progressivism grew out of the late 19th/early 20th century. A lot of it was misguided. Progressives were a main force behind both eugenics and alcohol prohibition.

The root of course is "progress," and progressives believed in reaching towards a utopia of science/technology/planning. Today's left would disavow a lot of what progressives thought. I think the term was resurrected around the 1990s, when it was decided that "liberal" had taken on a negative tone.
They may not regard the term "Authoritarian Collectivist" as "Politically correct," but that is an accurate description of what they are.
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Old 09-15-2018, 04:12 PM
 
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Conservative Dennis Prager (whose "views generally align with the Christian right") argues that The Left and Liberals are not the same. Something to consider next time you complain about goddamn libs.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tlIjMJBSnRE
Yada-yada-yada...
So this silly Dennis Prager who keeps on popping up on my FB page for whatever reason and going on and on about "liberals," wants to overthrow the "established cliches" and to come up with some bright original idea?
This doesn't work out that well for him.
What he is trying to describe as "Liberals" is actually a "right wing" anyways, even though it might not be the "Conservatism."
I mean the "left wing" consists of few gradations, but so is the "right wing."
For those who don't know history ( and it didn't start with America, ) - the original idea of "conservatism" ( or ultra-right ideas) was an idea of Monarchism, aristocracy et al, where the idea of superiority came as "given directly by God."
Fast way forward, the formation of feudalism is changed to capitalism, where it's not any longer the "blood right," but money deciding who is in charge of the society. These are still the "right wing ideas," although already not "ultra-right."
Yes, people promoting the ideas of "brotherhood and equality" back in the Age of Enlightenment "undermined the authority of the monarchy and the Church," but exactly how far did they want to go in terms of "brotherhood and equality?" Apparently not that far, judging by the new formation that this era brought with it - the Capitalism formation. Never the less I have to admit that people promoting these new ideas were identified as "Liberals" ( vs. "Monarchists.")
Were they still the "Right wing" ( as far as the new class of bourgeoisie is concerned?) Yes they were. More left to the center, but never the less.
Since then, more left ideas came in place; those promoting them were christened in the US as "Liberals" yet again.
And as much as a big deal this Dennis Prager is trying to make out of it, big deal it's really not.
His "Liberals" are still the right wingers, and the Left is still the Left.
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Old 09-15-2018, 04:13 PM
 
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One of the worst type of liberals or conservatives are those that are SJWs.
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Old 09-15-2018, 04:30 PM
 
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Actually, yours is a pretty dumb definition also, although it's clear you either do not or cannot recognize that reality.

Here's your real, honest-to-goodness definition of a "conservative," from which the definition of "liberal" can be directly derived:

"Conservative, n: A statesman who is enamored of existing evils, as distinguished from the Liberal who wishes to replace them with others."

--Ambrose Bierce

I think we can all agree that it simply cannot be said, nor ever has been said, any better by anyone, anywhere.
Hyuk hyuk hyuk...Politics is one bad person vs another bad person b/c a comedian told me that...hyuk hyuk hyuk. Thanks...
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Old 09-15-2018, 04:44 PM
 
Location: So Cal
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One of the worst type of liberals or conservatives are those that are SJWs.
Agreed.
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Old 09-15-2018, 04:56 PM
 
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Political categories evolve. There is no permanent definition. "Liberal" and "left" are different from each other, but were combined in the Democrat party, since both have been in contrast to some aspects of conservatism.

"Conservatism" used to be supportive of old class systems and aristocracy. "Liberal" contrasted with that to mean supporting the bourgeoisie and free enterprise. Liberals felt that people do not have to stay in the class of their birth. So this evolved into human rights and civil rights, which is very much associated with the Democrats, since the 1960s at least.

"Leftism" means opposing whatever is currently in power, being supportive of workers, and the non-rich. It was expressed in Marxism.

Now days, conservatives can be rich or poor, and are often middle class or working class. That is partly because leftism rejected religion, and all traditions, and many non-rich Americans value religion and traditions. So they felt more connected to the Republican party than to the Democrats.

The words keep evolving, and it's very hard to pin them down at any moment. People get awfully confused, because they think the words have stable meanings. So, for example, because Trump ran as a Republican, they think that means he is against civil rights and progress. But he is a Republican, probably, because he supposedly stands for the workers and the non-rich, with their traditional values, such as patriotism and religion.

Our society is very complex and can't be described by a simple left-right dichotomy. But all political discussions in America are in terms of left-right or liberal-conservative. THAT IS WHY everyone is so confused and polarized.
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Old 09-15-2018, 05:03 PM
 
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It is a myth that the Nazi Party was right wing by today's standards. The National SOCIALISTS were very left wing.
Really, this has been explained before. The Nazi's used the word Socialist in their name for wider acceptance, but in fact, they were against socialism, and considered Socialists to be their enemies. They were an extreme right, totalitarian system. Read some history, do some research, please.
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Old 09-15-2018, 05:08 PM
 
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Really, this has been explained before. The Nazi's used the word Socialist in their name for wider acceptance, but in fact, they were against socialism, and considered Socialists to be their enemies. They were an extreme right, totalitarian system. Read some history, do some research, please.
You seem to be equating totalitarianism with the political "right." You never heard of Stalin or Mao, or Castro, or Kim Jong-un?
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Old 09-15-2018, 05:41 PM
 
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American Democrats are center right not left.
There really aren't any "American Democrats" left (no pun intended) in the USA anymore. Joe Manchin is probably one, Joe Lieberman certainly was one. The Leftists (Socialists) have essentially taken over the Democratic Party or what we knew as the Democratic Party.

Still a few left in Texas, but not many.

Chuck Schumer used to be a "Democrat" -- but he has found that he can't be that anymore. He has to bend to the demands of "The Resistance - Antifa"

Liberal groups knock Schumer’s handling of Kavanaugh nomination |Politico

Anyone will a brain knows that Judge Kavanaugh will be confirmed as the next Supreme Court Justice - BUT the Leftists are now in control of the Democratic Party (or what used to be the Democratic Party) and they are calling the shots .... a lot of MONEY on the line and traditional Democrats are giving into them. They think they have no choice. It's ALL Obstruction ALL of the time.

But Schumer is grappling with multiple challenges: a base that wants him to stop Kavanaugh even though Republicans can confirm him without Democratic help, as well as a brutal midterm map and vulnerable incumbents who are under pressure to support Trump’s pick. Senate Democrats have largely united behind Schumer’s strategy of demanding documents and disrupting the Judiciary Committee’s hearing. But liberal groups say it’s not enough.

“Your job as Senate Democratic leader is to lead your caucus in complete opposition to Trump’s attempted Supreme Court takeover and to defend everyone threatened by a Trump Supreme Court,” the letter reads. “But unbelievably, nearly two dozen Democrats have still not come out against Kavanaugh. ... That is not the leadership we need.”


ANY vote for a "democrat" in 2018 is a vote to Impeach the President of the USA -- they are very open about that. It's a vote to Abolish Ice, it's a vote for Open Borders and it's a vote against the 2nd Amendment. It's a vote for years more of the misery they have put this country through since Donald Trump was elected. It's a vote for Socialism and against the American System of Government.
These Leftists can't be controlled once they gain power.

EVERYONE needs to clearly understand that.
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