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Old 09-17-2018, 11:13 AM
 
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I think many people have taken a page from Trump's behavior. The divisions in our country are on the rise, both political and racial.
We have a president who lies constantly so I am afraid that we are slowly becoming so used to this that it sets the bar lower for future presidents.
Trump ran on "drain the swamp" and he surrounded himself with criminals.

None of us are perfect but, I expect our president to have morals, empathy and to speak well.
I don't want someone as president that acts in a way that I scold my grandkids for doing.
It's ALL about appearances with Leftists, never about actual results. We had an "appearance" guy with Obama and he sucked really bad.

 
Old 09-17-2018, 11:30 AM
 
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I'm still waiting for America to be Great Again™. So far, everything (outside the daily blunders by our President) is pretty much the same. Economy is on the same trend since 2009. Nearly every economic indicator agrees with that. If Obama was so terrible, then I'd expect Trump to completely trounce Obama's economy. I mean, he is the most brilliant financial mind the world has ever seen, right? And he knows the best people and best words.
 
Old 09-17-2018, 12:21 PM
 
Location: In the desert
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It's ALL about appearances with Leftists, never about actual results. We had an "appearance" guy with Obama and he sucked really bad.
I have always been independent and have voted for both D & R's. If you read my post it is NOT about appearance. I don't want someone running our country who acts like a spoiled child and surrounds himself with shady people.
I like people who say what they mean and mean what they say & that is not our president.
He said he was going to drain the swamp, Mexico would pay for the wall, healthcare would be better, and so on and so on.
I can't trust this guy.
Probably the only thing I agree with him on is China.
 
Old 09-18-2018, 07:38 AM
 
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Originally Posted by chopchop0 View Post
Obama hit 5.1% in 2014.

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/us-gdp-...ally-standard/

Do you have The version of TDS where your red hat makes you forget facts and history under Democrat presidents and trust whatever the Orange clown tells you?
Racist!
 
Old 09-18-2018, 07:54 AM
 
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Originally Posted by sindey View Post
I think many people have taken a page from Trump's behavior. The divisions in our country are on the rise, both political and racial.
We have a president who lies constantly so I am afraid that we are slowly becoming so used to this that it sets the bar lower for future presidents.
Trump ran on "drain the swamp" and he surrounded himself with criminals.

None of us are perfect but, I expect our president to have morals, empathy and to speak well.
I don't want someone as president that acts in a way that I scold my grandkids for doing.
Spare us the false self righteous act, Pollyanna.
Trump is not a professional politician and thus is not a skilled liar. I have seen these lists of his "llies'" and most of them are BS.
He has been subjected to unprecedented criticism and scrutiny; the media never gave Clinton this much bad press.
You want the President to "speak well", well much of the country was tired of slick talking do nothing bullshytters who tell people they are bringing hope and change then spend 8 years filling their pockets with loot from special interests, wall st bankers, chinese citizens and russian uranium investors.... and dont do a damn thing.
Except let 10million mexicans run across the border then offer them paths to citizenship.
Morals... like the Clintons had?
 
Old 09-18-2018, 08:12 AM
 
Location: Somewhere below Mason/Dixon
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I miss the America before Trump. It’s not what you think though, I miss America WAY before Trump. I miss the America before the rise of political correctness, SJWs and the rise of socialism. I miss the America where the biggest difference between democrats and republicans was their level of support for unions and tax rates. I miss the America before secession movements and talk of civil war was confined to a historical discussion. I miss the America where white people were still ok and the founding fathers were the good guys. I miss the America where our greatest threat was on the other side of the planet and not living amongst us in urban areas and college campuses.

I will never forgive the pink haired freaks, SJWs and race warriors who have ruined American democracy. Even the election of Trump, whom y’all hate is your fault. Why do you folks think this clown was elected? Do you honestly think regular conservative Republicans like him? He is a pig and we all know it. He was elected as a populist because millions of people hate political correctness and whinny protest types so bad they did it to spite y’all. Once he had the nomination we conservatives voted for him to keep socialist Hillary out. You lefties made Trump now own him. You lefties made this mess of an America we all must live with now. Democracy is dying in this nation, civil unrest and violence is also likely, even revolution and civil war are a possibility. The radical left and conservative traditionalism cannot peacefully coexist in a democratic state. I think we all know this to be true. I miss the America you leftist extremist have destroyed.
 
Old 09-18-2018, 09:49 AM
 
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It's ALL about appearances with Leftists, never about actual results. We had an "appearance" guy with Obama and he sucked really bad.
Come on now...

So much happened right about that time before Obama became POTUS and the eight years after.

"Never about actual results?"

Just "appearance" we went from near economic collapse, bleeding everywhere, to economic growth? If all that was just "appearance" then I suppose the Great Recession was all "just appearance too." Just for starters...
 
Old 09-18-2018, 10:08 AM
 
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I'm going to go out on a limb here and guess that you haven't been around much longer than a couple of decades. It hasn't always been this way.

There was a time when the President, and national politics, wasn't this important. And that's how it should be. Our government wasn't designed that way. It was supposed to be concentrated locally...city, county, state, etc. 10th amendment.

People getting bent out of shape in New York City about what's going on with a Wyoming rancher is stupid. Leave each other alone.
I wish you were right, but I've been around a few more decades than that, still with memories going back to when I was a young lad; when the Kennedys were shot, MLK, the landing on the moon, the Watergate hearings...

I also don't agree that politics "wasn't this important" or that's how it should be. Politics is very important, whether at the local, state or national level. I was raised in a family that always considered politics very important, typically the subject of conversation at the dinner table, and why shouldn't it be? Politics has been hotly debated ever since our founding fathers argued about how our political system should function! A good deal longer than that in other parts of the world too of course. Not important?

Hello?

We are now a country of some 350 million people. Just how are we supposed to "leave each other alone," when we have so many different competing interests and problems that involve issues well outside the confines of our own space? I'm a big believer in the "live and let live" principle, but obviously that principle doesn't keep companies from polluting in order to make money, or people from abusing power. Doesn't do much about poverty or lack of education. Doesn't prevent wars, or keep unqualified people from assuming public office. Doesn't keep money from corrupting those in public office either, or the private sector for that matter...

Politics not important? That's a new one for me. Not sure I've ever heard that notion before...
 
Old 09-18-2018, 10:25 AM
 
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AND who pushed and signed the repeal of Glass-Steagall??

Wasn't that the most significant financial deregulation?? What were the financial deregulations under Bush??

I still cannot forgive Obama...for saving the jobs of Wall Street bankers and sending the working Americans to the poor house. AND THEN to tell the Wall Street bankers...." I am the only person standing between you and the American people with their pitchforks"!!!

That did it for me.
I know the feeling...

Obama managed to do more than his biased detractors will ever admit. I was a supporter of Obama, voting for him both times, but that doesn't mean I can't be objective about Obama's successes AND failures, as this thread I started some time ago points out.

While Obama may not have been sincere, a great many of his voters were

Besides trying to be objective about all the "good, bad and ugly" that comes with every administration, I also try to remember that politics is a very complex combination of competing interests that can never "please all the people all the time." Inevitably, there are those who will feel we're going in the right direction, while others will feel we are going backwards. We can always do better, and of course we've got good reason to worry we can do worse.

I'm inclined to consider all the important ways we are either doing better or worse than before, as objectively as possible, and as best I can arrive at a conclusion about the differences between Obama and Trump, Obama was better, and Trump is worse than I ever imagined Americans would make our POTUS. I've got deep into those details many times before in this forum, and unfortunately this forum proves over and over again that facts, reason and logic are not what prevails. Evidence of objectivity in this forum is about as rare as a day without a Trump tweet, and no one changes their mind about anything, no matter what...
 
Old 09-18-2018, 10:34 AM
 
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Originally Posted by sindey View Post
I think many people have taken a page from Trump's behavior. The divisions in our country are on the rise, both political and racial.
We have a president who lies constantly so I am afraid that we are slowly becoming so used to this that it sets the bar lower for future presidents.
Trump ran on "drain the swamp" and he surrounded himself with criminals.

None of us are perfect but, I expect our president to have morals, empathy and to speak well.
I don't want someone as president that acts in a way that I scold my grandkids for doing.
The "behavior" is very off-putting for most people who miss the days when the POTUS had a bit more poise and class, or so it sure seemed compared to how Trump tends to act, but besides behavior it still boils down to our different ideologies, just as different as religions can be, with little-to-no chance those differences can be reconciled. Begin to appreciate just how impossible it is to get a conservative to consider liberal positions and/or vice versa, and you begin to realize just how much our future depends on young people who are still figuring out what makes the most sense all considered.

As I've pointed out before, we've pretty well "cemented" our core beliefs by the time we get past our twenties, and from then on it's confirmation bias that takes over, more and more at the expense of objectivity as we get on in age. This is why the "older generation" is forever moving aside to the younger generation that is always so hard for older folks to understand.

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