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Old 09-18-2018, 11:38 AM
 
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My life would be equally awesome under Hillary. Anyone who allows politics to effect their personal life are too politicised.
Good point. It's important to keep living our private lives as best we can despite the politics. I know my day is not ruled by politics, but many lives and the future of America is very dependent on what politics we adopt and/or reject. I've got kids. We enjoy our lives as a family, but only a fool doesn't recognize how much government can impact the future for our kids, for better or worse. Also the fool that always argues "less is more" when it comes to government instead of smarter is better!

"The Devil always in the details..."

 
Old 09-18-2018, 11:51 AM
 
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I have always been independent and have voted for both D & R's. If you read my post it is NOT about appearance. I don't want someone running our country who acts like a spoiled child and surrounds himself with shady people.
I like people who say what they mean and mean what they say & that is not our president.
He said he was going to drain the swamp, Mexico would pay for the wall, healthcare would be better, and so on and so on.
I can't trust this guy.
Probably the only thing I agree with him on is China.
I lean liberal/progressive and almost always vote that way unless I feel there are other factors more compelling than the platform differences, like when I voted for Reagan...

What you touch upon is what I think is unique about Trump. In the past it always seemed the focus was on the Republican/conservative vs the Democrat/liberal direction. There was also some criticism about how a POTUS might act too, of course. GW was pretty good fodder when it came to some pretty funny quotes for example.

“Rarely is the question asked: Is our children learning?” -- G.W. Bush

Trump, however, has truly introduced a "show" unlike anything this country has ever seen before, entirely unbecoming of a POTUS in terms of most typical American standards having to do with poise, communication skills, civility and other basic leadership attributes. Trump supporters don't see it. Others see it all too painfully.

Clearly, what is embarrassing for some is inspiring for others. Every powerful world leader, whether the worst or the best, has always had their devout followers regardless how good or bad they were...
 
Old 09-18-2018, 11:58 AM
 
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Come on now...

So much happened right about that time before Obama became POTUS and the eight years after.

"Never about actual results?"

Just "appearance" we went from near economic collapse, bleeding everywhere, to economic growth? If all that was just "appearance" then I suppose the Great Recession was all "just appearance too." Just for starters...
I dont think any of Obamas policies were so significant you can label him a financial savior. These things are cyclical.
 
Old 09-18-2018, 12:02 PM
 
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Spare us the false self righteous act, Pollyanna.
Trump is not a professional politician and thus is not a skilled liar. I have seen these lists of his "llies'" and most of them are BS.
He has been subjected to unprecedented criticism and scrutiny; the media never gave Clinton this much bad press.
You want the President to "speak well", well much of the country was tired of slick talking do nothing bullshytters who tell people they are bringing hope and change then spend 8 years filling their pockets with loot from special interests, wall st bankers, chinese citizens and russian uranium investors.... and dont do a damn thing.
Except let 10million mexicans run across the border then offer them paths to citizenship.
Morals... like the Clintons had?
You sure Trump is not a professional liar? If not, I'd sure hate to think what a professional liar might say or do...

I would love to see your list of lies. Funny that "most of them are BS." Okay that some are not I guess. One of my favorites early on was Trump's claim of seeing thousands of Muslims cheering on 9/11 in New York. If that isn't the sort of thing that pretty well sets the stage for more heavy BS to come, I don't know what is.

You and folks like you would do us all a big favor if you stopped excusing Trump's serious short-comings with every version of worse you can think of! Who wants "could be worse" for POTUS? And why is an articulate speaker always "slick talking" as far as you are concerned. Trump is the slick talker if you ask me and not even good at that compared to most people who can simply speak well, intelligently.

How do we know who deserves "bad press" and why? Why does Trump NOT deserve bad press when he himself is the one putting foot or tweet in mouth ad nauseam? All depends on whether you voted for Trump. Right? Can't be this level of criticism is in any way justified...
 
Old 09-18-2018, 12:05 PM
 
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I miss the America before Trump. Its not what you think though, I miss America WAY before Trump. I miss the America before the rise of political correctness, SJWs and the rise of socialism. I miss the America where the biggest difference between democrats and republicans was their level of support for unions and tax rates. I miss the America before secession movements and talk of civil war was confined to a historical discussion. I miss the America where white people were still ok and the founding fathers were the good guys. I miss the America where our greatest threat was on the other side of the planet and not living amongst us in urban areas and college campuses.

I will never forgive the pink haired freaks, SJWs and race warriors who have ruined American democracy. Even the election of Trump, whom yall hate is your fault. Why do you folks think this clown was elected? Do you honestly think regular conservative Republicans like him? He is a pig and we all know it. He was elected as a populist because millions of people hate political correctness and whinny protest types so bad they did it to spite yall. Once he had the nomination we conservatives voted for him to keep socialist Hillary out. You lefties made Trump now own him. You lefties made this mess of an America we all must live with now. Democracy is dying in this nation, civil unrest and violence is also likely, even revolution and civil war are a possibility. The radical left and conservative traditionalism cannot peacefully coexist in a democratic state. I think we all know this to be true. I miss the America you leftist extremist have destroyed.
Great post but you really crossed the line with one thing.





Pink hair is pretty cool on some chicks. Mixed in with blond its damn hot.

I dont like that sea hag green thing tho.

Thats all.
 
Old 09-18-2018, 12:10 PM
 
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I miss the America before Trump. It’s not what you think though, I miss America WAY before Trump. I miss the America before the rise of political correctness, SJWs and the rise of socialism. I miss the America where the biggest difference between democrats and republicans was their level of support for unions and tax rates. I miss the America before secession movements and talk of civil war was confined to a historical discussion. I miss the America where white people were still ok and the founding fathers were the good guys. I miss the America where our greatest threat was on the other side of the planet and not living amongst us in urban areas and college campuses.

I will never forgive the pink haired freaks, SJWs and race warriors who have ruined American democracy. Even the election of Trump, whom y’all hate is your fault. Why do you folks think this clown was elected? Do you honestly think regular conservative Republicans like him? He is a pig and we all know it. He was elected as a populist because millions of people hate political correctness and whinny protest types so bad they did it to spite y’all. Once he had the nomination we conservatives voted for him to keep socialist Hillary out. You lefties made Trump now own him. You lefties made this mess of an America we all must live with now. Democracy is dying in this nation, civil unrest and violence is also likely, even revolution and civil war are a possibility. The radical left and conservative traditionalism cannot peacefully coexist in a democratic state. I think we all know this to be true. I miss the America you leftist extremist have destroyed.
"America before the rise of political correctness."

This too just kills me. With all we can possibly take issue, this heartburn over being PC is hard for me to understand. For me to be PC is simply not to degrade or insult someone when there is no good reason to do so. It's simply to avoid being mean, disrespectful or demeaning to others. Not be a dumb arse...

Problem is, however, for mean spirited dumb arses, it's really hard not to be degrading or insulting to others, and having to make the effort brings all kind of heartburn, as most forms of ignorance generally do.

For me and others it's not even an issue! Why? Because we're simply not inclined to be needlessly insulting, uncivil or mean to others, call it PC or simple human decency, whatever you like but if you have heartburn about being PC, you might just want to better understand why.
 
Old 09-18-2018, 12:24 PM
 
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I dont think any of Obamas policies were so significant you can label him a financial savior. These things are cyclical.
You will please want to point out what measures you are referring to then, so we can be a little more intelligent and discerning about what the other poster meant by this claim, "It's ALL about appearances with Leftists, never about actual results. We had an "appearance" guy with Obama and he sucked really bad."

That's the comment I was addressing, and although I agree (and have argued many times) the POTUS is not as economically influential as lots of people seem to think, not necessarily a "financial savior." Of course not, but the POTUS can be influential in terms of restoring a sense of leadership and calm, pursuing policies that will help to improve things rather than make them worse, not only for the financial markets but for the American public as well. People need to BELIEVE things are being done to avert disaster. That's what GW set out to begin, and Obama followed quite convincingly all considered.

Also agree things are cyclical, but the cycle times can be significantly influenced by much the federal government does or doesn't do. This too a hot debate between those who think the recovery could have been faster while others are just glad disaster was averted in the first place and that recovery finally did happen at all even if not overnight!

Another significant example is the ACA. Right or wrong, better or worse, our health care industry amounts to nearly 20 percent of our entire GDP. Changes like the ACA and/or the rising costs before the ACA all have a rather significant affect on the economy, let alone people's lives...
 
Old 09-18-2018, 12:28 PM
 
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Great post but you really crossed the line with one thing.

Pink hair is pretty cool on some chicks. Mixed in with blond its damn hot.

I dont like that sea hag green thing tho.

Thats all.
At least this thread is finally getting down to what really matters. I remember when leggings were considered scandalous, but lately I see them everywhere, and I don't mind them a bit either, no matter the hair color for me...
 
Old 09-18-2018, 12:40 PM
 
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The trajectory of America went off the rails back in 1965 when the left hijacked a power they didn't constitutionally even possess in the first place and decided to import tens of millions of the non-white global poor into the country, because they didn't like white people. The results have been....well, what you see now.
 
Old 09-18-2018, 01:10 PM
 
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I miss the America before Trump. Its not what you think though, I miss America WAY before Trump. I miss the America before the rise of political correctness, SJWs and the rise of socialism. I miss the America where the biggest difference between democrats and republicans was their level of support for unions and tax rates. I miss the America before secession movements and talk of civil war was confined to a historical discussion. I miss the America where white people were still ok and the founding fathers were the good guys. I miss the America where our greatest threat was on the other side of the planet and not living amongst us in urban areas and college campuses.

I will never forgive the pink haired freaks, SJWs and race warriors who have ruined American democracy. Even the election of Trump, whom yall hate is your fault. Why do you folks think this clown was elected? Do you honestly think regular conservative Republicans like him? He is a pig and we all know it. He was elected as a populist because millions of people hate political correctness and whinny protest types so bad they did it to spite yall. Once he had the nomination we conservatives voted for him to keep socialist Hillary out. You lefties made Trump now own him. You lefties made this mess of an America we all must live with now. Democracy is dying in this nation, civil unrest and violence is also likely, even revolution and civil war are a possibility. The radical left and conservative traditionalism cannot peacefully coexist in a democratic state. I think we all know this to be true. I miss the America you leftist extremist have destroyed.
I read your first paragraph, scratched my head, and asked myself how did this guy got on my ignore list?

That question was quickly answered in your second. Trump is the best President we've seen going back at least as far as LBJ, without question. Probably for longer than that, but with JFK, there would be a moment of pause for consideration. Sadly, we'll never know what full effect he may have had.

Trump did more for America than 9 others before him even before he took office by obliterating PC. And no one else could have or would have done that. And he has continued to advance the interests of average, normal Americans every day since.

Your derogatory comments feed the radical leftist pigs that we both know have done great damage to our national fabric. Thus you are aiding their woefully misguided efforts, so they are very troubling to see.
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