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Old 09-15-2018, 11:09 AM
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Originally Posted by mtl1 View Post
Not at all. You would have to go back to at least Reagan to time I miss the America that was. Obama needs no comment and both the Bushes were islamophile globalist and Clinton was pretty globalist too.
Depending on who you ask of course, but you would need to go back long before Reagan as far as many Americans even then were concerned. Reagan did appoint the first female Supreme Court Justice, but he opposed the Civil Rights Act, just for starters. Landslide victory, but not popular with lots of folks too, as usual, for all variety of reasons.

Always lots of "good, bad and ugly," even with Reagan, but this with Trump seems well above average ugly, and something tells me Reagan would be one of Trump's biggest critics/opponents if he were around today...

Old 09-15-2018, 11:09 AM
Location: East Coast of the United States
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Originally Posted by LearnMe View Post
Well, that lack of understanding explains the rest of your comment, and no doubt that lack of understanding is all too prevalent...
The only point of Obama being President was that America "needed" a black President getting elected.

But I'm talking about besides that point.
Old 09-15-2018, 11:09 AM
Location: Gulf Coast Texas
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To answer the thread title...

Iran says yes - especially w/ Iranian born Jarrett in the president's ear.

The Muslim Brotherhood, CAIR, and other factions of that group say yes.

Russia says yes.

Our trading partners around the world that enjoyed bilking us say yes.

Those from other countries who want to poach here illegally say yes.


As far as I am concerned, I will say yes regarding this - I could definitely do without the collective tantrum that this country has had to endure for almost two years from elite liberals and their pawns who have been wreaking havoc, damaging property, causing injuries.

Otherwise - no, I'm good with where we are.
Old 09-15-2018, 11:11 AM
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Originally Posted by Scooby Snacks View Post
No. It's reassuring to know that Americans have finally realized we are a deeply flawed country, courtesy of the archaic electoral college. Our ethnocentrism was obnoxious and annoying. "We are the greatest! There is no country better than us! We are the most powerful!" Etc. . . And Republicans punched a hole in that theory. It's hilarious how Republicans pretend to be the moral majority yet they continue defending Trump to the bitter end. And I now have a great reading list that will only continue to grow the longer Trump is in office. I used to want Trump gone but I have since changed my mind. Carry on GOP. May the egg on your face grow larger each passing day.
And on this cheery note, I think it's that time again for me to sign off this morning from this forum and think about doing something productive with my day. If only Trump would do the same...
Old 09-15-2018, 11:11 AM
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Originally Posted by Pilot1 View Post
No, not at all. Under Obama's reign we were heading towards Totalitarian Communism, and the political weaponization of Government against Conservatives, Libertarians, and Republicans.

America is actually America again. We have a leader who loves and respects America again.
Old 09-15-2018, 11:16 AM
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I miss the America before smartphones and social media. They have turned us into idiots.
Old 09-15-2018, 11:17 AM
Location: Northwest Peninsula
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Originally Posted by LearnMe View Post
I know we had our problems. Lots to complain about, be angry about, little-to-no trust in government, "throw the bums out!" Sure, but as bad as it was, don't you miss the America before Trump?

Instead of throwing out the bums, seems Trump surrounded himself with new ones. Instead of "draining the swamp," we simply got another swamp to contend with, wonder about. A POTUS who instead of explaining why we needed a new health care plan, to cover people with previous conditions, we have a POTUS who explains what women will let you do to them under the right conditions.
Shocker....no where in the Constitution is Health care a requirement for government to provide.

Instead of a Noble Peace prize and a world impressed that America would actually elect a black POTUS, we get a wall that Mexico will pay for, and "thousands of Muslims" Trump said were cheering on 9/11. We get the best health care plan ever, never seen. An international trade war and now China cozying up with Russia. Instead of Michelle, we get hanky panky with porn stars and Playboy bunnies and even better, hush money paid in the $100 thousands to keep them quiet.

Noble Peace prize like Obama got for being the first black president that did nothing to deserve it.
Maybe Mexico will pay for the wall in around about way...you know like the money saved by the US tax payer for all the added cost to them in lower health care and educational cost.
I will guarantee you one thing on the trade wars...it will hurt China a lot more that it will the US in the long run.
I would rather have talks with an enemy than a war.
So soon you forget Clinton and the nearly million dollar hush money payoff ?

Not that any of this should have us wonder what else needs to be hushed...
True like Hillary/Putin uranium deal or pay to play Clinton foundation.

Right, but what about the economy and our 401Ks?
Two things here...FYI most people retirement is at a all time high because of the stock market boosting their 401Ks. Secondly the left downplays the economy but the numbers don't lie.

I knew I shouldn't have started this thread, but I do surely miss the good old days before Trump started making America great again...
The key question you should have asked was 'Are you better off today than you were two years ago'?
Old 09-15-2018, 11:25 AM
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Obama was worse in a silent way.
Old 09-15-2018, 11:45 AM
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Originally Posted by Listener2307 View Post
Yeah. Obama had 47 million people on food stamps in 2013 after he cured The Great Recession. Trump has only 42 million.
That leaves 5 million people starving in the streets. I hope they can hang on until the next Democrat President.
I've yet to see them hanging around the dumpsters like they did under Bush W. & Obama.
Old 09-15-2018, 11:52 AM
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Location: Dallas, TX
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Yep, I miss the pre-Trump years. Economy was already recovering before Trump took office. Hate didn't get the platform it had. Our discourse wasn't nearly as coarse. LGBT finally could get married. And Social Darwinist and Randian views weren't nearly as well-accepted.

Proof positive that "Obamunist" values and government are more moral than "traditional" values and government.
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