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Old 09-16-2018, 06:31 AM
 
Location: Metro Detroit, Michigan
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Obama had a chance to do something about this. Pelosi told us that we had to pass it to receive the corporate written/sponsored surprise slap in the face. And here we are today. Thanks for nothing Dems, yall are as useless as ever and the proof is in the results.
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Old 09-16-2018, 06:33 AM
 
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Obama had a chance to do something about this. Pelosi told us that we had to pass it to receive the corporate written/sponsored surprise slap in the face. And here we are today. Thanks for nothing Dems, yall are as useless as ever and the proof is in the results.
So vote republican?
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Old 09-16-2018, 06:37 AM
 
Location: Metro Detroit, Michigan
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So vote republican?

Can't be any worse. 2 years in and it hasn't gotten any worse. Hopefully, some or all of the damage caused by the last administration can be fixed.
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Old 09-16-2018, 06:58 AM
 
Location: In the desert
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Obama had a chance to do something about this. Pelosi told us that we had to pass it to receive the corporate written/sponsored surprise slap in the face. And here we are today. Thanks for nothing Dems, yall are as useless as ever and the proof is in the results.
And dammit now the Republicans have a chance to do something & what are they doing? Nothing
Healthcare is an American problem & the fighting about it between the two parties isn't accomplishing anything.
I say make all politicians have the same health care as the rest of us & maybe just maybe we can begin to fix it.
Blaming it on one party is ridiculous.
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Old 09-16-2018, 07:12 AM
 
Location: Pennsylvania
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Well, we already knew most of this.


Get Sick, Go Bankrupt and Die

In the case of health care, however, there’s an even deeper problem: The G.O.P. can’t come up with an alternative to the Affordable Care Act because no such alternative exists. In particular, if you want to preserve protection for people with pre-existing conditions — the health issue that matters most to voters, including half of Republicans — Obamacare is the most conservative policy that can do that...

For what Obamacare did was provide incentives to get healthy people to sign up, too. On one side there was a penalty for not having insurance (the individual mandate). On the other, there were subsidies designed to limit health expenses as a share of income. The point, again, is that Obamacare is the most conservative option for covering pre-existing conditions...

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/09/03/o...-bankrupt.html
I'm not a huge fan of single payer -- and I have little confidence in the government running it efficiently -- BUT - it would be better than what we have now.
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Old 09-16-2018, 07:16 AM
 
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Can't be any worse. 2 years in and it hasn't gotten any worse. Hopefully, some or all of the damage caused by the last administration can be fixed.
You’re right, higher premiums and less people covered seems like the better approach.
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Old 09-16-2018, 07:18 AM
 
Location: Barrington
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The constantly rising cost of healthcare is a problem with frequent government meddling but never a solution, like any other act of the bloated and dying federal bureaucracy. The healthcare industry will either simplify and reduce cost, or be kicked to the curb by other providers with less bureaucratic baggage and expense: midwives, holistic healers, osteopaths, etc.
Germany relies mostly on licenced midwives for pre-natal care and delivery, unless it’s a high risk pregnancy.

Most babies are delivered in Birthing Centers, not hospitals and recovery happens in multi- bed rooms

It’s one of the ways Germany manages the cost of healthcare.

Germany has an infant mortality rate of 3.2 vs US at 5.9. Mississippi has a rate of 8.8.
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Old 09-16-2018, 07:29 AM
 
Location: Midwest
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And dammit now the Republicans have a chance to do something & what are they doing? Nothing
Healthcare is an American problem & the fighting about it between the two parties isn't accomplishing anything.
I say make all politicians have the same health care as the rest of us & maybe just maybe we can begin to fix it.
Blaming it on one party is ridiculous.
Actually Republicans are touting the benefits of Obamacare in ads for their re-election.

Here is one example:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dcBZnV9dLo8
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Old 09-16-2018, 07:29 AM
 
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Probably, get sick, go bankrupt and die. Only the "lucky"ones get sick, die and the estate goes bankrupt. Sick people have to worry about this crap because of the heartless GOP.
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Old 09-16-2018, 07:31 AM
 
Location: Florida
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I don't know that this is true. You could make the program optional. You can opt out at any time, but you can only opt in once, and it has to be before you're 30. And the program has to be self-funding, like SS and medicare, so the people benefiting from government healthcare pay all of its costs.

You would end up with a voluntary program that has ~20% payroll tax, everyone who prioritizes having good health insurance does, and anyone who wants to roll the dice can.

I think that would have achieved pretty much all of the goals of universal health care, without generating a lot of backlash.
That sounds like a very good idea actually.

But how would you address the issue regarding those who refuse to get health insurance or who buy a short term or catastrophic policy (no pre-existing conditions covered), but will still use the the emergency room as their go-to physicians, thus making everyone else pay for their care?
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