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Old 09-17-2018, 10:52 AM
 
Location: Manchester NH
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Someone has to provide the capital necessary for industrial production. Such persons bear a greater risk, and consequently yield a greater result.
No they don't. Capital owners don't provide anything, it is beyond their physical capabilities.

Gaining ownership through legal means gives one person the authority to allow usage based off of their desires, which is the same understanding of control that authoritarianism exists.
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Old 09-17-2018, 10:55 AM
 
Location: Manchester NH
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It's incoherent drivel.
Once again you devolve your own rhetoric and use ad hominem when you have no argument left.

You have been continuously shown new arguments outside of your preconceived notions about how the economy works, and yet you continuously fall back on the same tired arguments you started before hand.
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Old 09-17-2018, 11:51 AM
 
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No they don't. Capital owners don't provide anything, it is beyond their physical capabilities.

Gaining ownership through legal means gives one person the authority to allow usage based off of their desires, which is the same understanding of control that authoritarianism exists.
lmao, yeah Capital owners don't provide anything....Except the damn money. Anarchists are weird.
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Old 09-17-2018, 12:03 PM
 
Location: OH->FL->NJ
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i hope the insurance company refuses to cover the damages.
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Old 09-17-2018, 12:46 PM
 
Location: Manchester NH
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lmao, yeah Capital owners don't provide anything....Except the damn money. Anarchists are weird.
Money is a government construct, and only contains value because of authority.

Now answer me, how do they allow people to use ‘their’ capital besides not calling the police to come and bash their skulls.
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Old 09-17-2018, 01:08 PM
 
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Capitalism teaches you through societal force that the only thing with value is capital. Naturally people will be drawn to taking goods that have permanent worth, more so than any human being.

You want to stop theft, stop invisible control of goods.
If you don't like capitalism, move to where there is none.
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Old 09-17-2018, 01:31 PM
 
Location: Manchester NH
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If you don't like capitalism, move to where there is none.
Capitalism isn’t a constant, there are plenty of anarchist communist societies.

The problem arises when the global supply chain is profit based, capitalist authoritarians who have no natural right to have a monopoly on the means of production do, and that affects everyone else. Furthermore they are destroying the earth to maximize supply of goods not in demand (they try to artificially create the demand).

Capitalism destroys everything, the entire global system must be abolished.
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Old 09-17-2018, 03:46 PM
 
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No they don't. Capital owners don't provide anything, it is beyond their physical capabilities.
Incorrect. Just ask any VC or angel investor. Start-ups can't get going without their capital.
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Old 09-17-2018, 03:50 PM
 
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Money is a government construct, and only contains value because of authority.

Now answer me, how do they allow people to use ‘their’ capital besides not calling the police to come and bash their skulls.
By providing the means of production. The laborers provide some of the skill sets and labor, but not all, and laborers don't provide the means of production. They USE someone else's means of production to produce.
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Old 09-17-2018, 04:42 PM
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I’m not talking about money, I’m talking about monetary value and where it comes from.

Being as money is the source of control over capital, and the value of capital is claimed by monetary means, the entire function of the economy is based on permanent ownership of capital, rather than the production means to facilitate them.

If we stopped putting focus on the value and distribution of capital, it’s usage would be based on function, not external benefits.
And I repeat. Money is a means of exchange for product. The value of money is determined by what quality-quantity etc of product you are willing to sell in exchange for it. Bartering can be a good thing for basic necessities, but there are those who want nicer things than just basic needs.

They are willing to do what they need to achieve the means to do so and that means is monetary.

Anyway, these thieves were disrespectful to the people who live in the neighborhood where this store is located. People need stores like Family Dollar, especially lower income people, and they need for business owners to not feel afraid to establish their business there.


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If you don't like capitalism, move to where there is none.
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