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Old 09-17-2018, 12:46 PM
 
Location: Los Angeles (Native)
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Trump literally promised government paid healthcare during the election to everyone, and refused to say how that would be accomplished. Isn't that a part of what this discussion was about? Promising government healthcare for all without details on how to accomplish it? It is really absurd for any Trump supporter to complain about lack of details or substance.
He promised free universal Healthcare? When ? Do you have a link ?

Also again Trump has performed , and especially way beyond what the left predicted. Ocasio is a former bartender that hasn’t run anything and is all talk .

Stock market was supposed to have crashed and the economy was supposed to crash if he won .
Remember your parties predictions ?
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Old 09-17-2018, 12:51 PM
 
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Hey, not a Trump supporter here, so I'm going to complain about lack of detail. Do you have a retort now that its been level set for you?

Also, its not just lack of details on healthcare, its government provided education, tuition, paid family leave, expanded Social Security, and "jobs for all" whatever that is.

Its $38 TRILLION, that is more than just some missing details. Thats missing fundamentals, basic facts, and basic economic realities.
I never suggested what she proposed was good or reasonable, I said people expecting and demanding specifics from her are 100% are right to do so. So there is your answer, you should expect it. It was clear in my previous post, the fact that you are trying to argue that tells me you are probably a closet Trump supporter.
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Old 09-17-2018, 12:55 PM
 
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I never suggested what she proposed was good or reasonable, I said people expecting and demanding specifics from her are 100% are right to do so. So there is your answer, you should expect it. It was clear in my previous post, the fact that you are trying to argue that tells me you are probably a closet Trump supporter.
Well you can assume I'm a liar, thats fine. I have no reason to support Trump so I don't feel the need to argue or defend prior statements, just making it clear that one can ask for details on her plans without being a Trump supporter. Oh, and if I was a Trump supporter, that signature line under my name would probably have been different for the last year.
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Old 09-17-2018, 12:57 PM
 
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He promised free universal Healthcare? When ? Do you have a link ?

Also again Trump has performed , and especially way beyond what the left predicted. Ocasio is a former bartender that hasnít run anything and is all talk .

Stock market was supposed to have crashed and the economy was supposed to crash if he won .
Remember your parties predictions ?
You can watch his word salad on healthcare here:

Pelley: Who is going to pay for it?

Trump: The government is going to pay for it.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y8mcN0zweQE
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Old 09-17-2018, 01:07 PM
 
Location: Long Island
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Trump promised free universal Healthcare? When ? Do you have a link ?
"We're going to have insurance for everybody. There was a philosophy in some circles that if you can't pay for it, you don't get it. That's not going to happen with us. I am going to take care of everybody. The government's gonna pay for it."

Sounds a lot like universal healthcare to me. And yet another broken promise from the huckster.
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Old 09-17-2018, 01:13 PM
 
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Well I guess I missed where you said someone was 100% right to demand answers and specifics. My reply was specific to this red text in your quote, so I simply stated that as a non Trump supporter I wanted answers and they were not given by her.

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Trump literally promised government paid healthcare during the election to everyone, and refused to say how that would be accomplished. Isn't that a part of what this discussion was about? Promising government healthcare for all without details on how to accomplish it? It is really absurd for any Trump supporter to complain about lack of details, substance or logic with policy.

Trump: We're going to build a wall and Mexico is going to pay for it.

Normal Person: How are you going to get them to pay for it?

Trump: They'll pay for it.

Trump: I'm going to shut down the govt if I don't get funding for the wall

Normal Person: I thought Mexico was going to pay for it

Trump: They'll pay us back

Pretty much insert any policy and this is the vague nonsense you get form Trump.

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When I clearly say that someone is 100% right to demand answers and specifics from her, and you try to act like I somehow said that she should not be pressed, how should I take that?

100% does not allow for any ambiguity.

Why would you feel the need to jump in with what you did if there were not an inclination to argue to defend Trump? For a non-supporter, you do that a lot on these threads
Feel free to think what you want, as long as you can provide support as to where I "do that a lot" to reflect support for Trump. You are just making this political when its not. I simply pointed out that one doesnt have to support Trump to ask those questions, and quite often people deflect by assuming that those who question Democrats (or socialists in this case) are blanket all Trump supporters. While I support more Republican ideas than Democrat ideas, I'm definitely not a supporter of his. I do find that he identifies some problems and issues, but in general, his way of "solving" them is way off the mark.
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Old 09-17-2018, 01:21 PM
 
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Well you can assume I'm a liar, thats fine. I have no reason to support Trump so I don't feel the need to argue or defend prior statements, just making it clear that one can ask for details on her plans without being a Trump supporter. Oh, and if I was a Trump supporter, that signature line under my name would probably have been different for the last year.
In this case, it appeared to me that you were looking for an avenue to defend him since I clearly said that she should be able to articulate her position and support it with data. She should, Trump should, everyone should, especially politicians in charge of our money and policy that impacts our lives.

If there is a zeal about which offends me more between her and Trump, it is obviously with Trump because he is my president and I don't live in New York. I mean, is this lady even elected yet? I honestly don't know. As far as I know, she is the democratic nominee for a house seat.
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Old 09-17-2018, 01:23 PM
 
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DNC says she's the future of the Democratic Party. What a shame.
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Old 09-17-2018, 01:25 PM
 
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In this case, it looks to me that you were looking for an avenue to defend him since I clearly said that she should be able to articulate her position and support it with data. She should, Trump should, everyone should, especially politicians in charge of our money and policy that impacts our lives.

If there is a zeal about which offends me more between her and Trump, it is obviously with Trump because he is my president and I don't live in New York. I mean, is this lady even elected yet? I honestly don't know. As far as I know, she is the democratic nominee for a house seat.
Nope, not the case, just genuinely frustrated that it seems like most counter arguments I make these day are attempted to be shut down by people saying "oh you support Trump" and it just gets on my nerves. Almost like you can't have a voice without being a straight up Democrat or a Trump supporter. Nobody wants to understand that there are other perspectives, so sorry if it comes off that way.

You are correct, just a nominee at this point, and I hope she fails miserably. I say that as a non-trump supporter still. I just don't want to see any kind of policy or philosophy like hers become main stream, and I say that as someone who leans more right, but considers myself more center-right.
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Old 09-17-2018, 01:37 PM
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Location: Suburban Dallas
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She is clearly not qualified, and will not win her race. GOP should not worry about her too much.
If nothing else, she's actually helping the GOP. I'd hate to be her if she actually wins and goes into Congress. It will be so far over her head that it will be too overwhelming for her.
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