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Old 09-17-2018, 10:38 AM
 
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California has 53 Representatives out of 435. That’s about 12%?

I think you’re probably more addressing very small states with proportionally higher electoral power?
The power of the senate also wildly distorts the very small population states. A much larger pool of US House reps reduces this skew.

Best result though is the diluting of lobbyist influence as their dollars buy less, and a serious dent in the power of gerrymandering.

And again, anytime any state wants to award their electoral votes proportionally, they can go right ahead. Maine and Nebraska already do.
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Old 09-17-2018, 10:40 AM
 
Location: On the Great South Bay
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Yes, the Electoral College was not a good idea. However, it will never be abolished, because to do so requires a Constitutional amendment, which requires ratification by 3/4 of the states. All of the states with lower than average populations benefit from the Electoral College, so they have to motivation to get rid of it.
I disagree.

The Electoral College is part of the balancing between the states. It is a major reason the Union and the US Constitution have lasted for almost 230 years, far longer then many of the Founding Fathers dreamed possible. And it works, we continue to alternate Presidents among the two major parties, back and forth every few years.

Right now, we have a state that has 40 million people. If we abolished the Electoral College, California, a state with IMHO, politically irresponsible leadership, would dominate the nation. California would essentially disenfranchise all of the smaller states, probably all the mid-sized states as well. By 2030 when California's population may balloon to 44-45 million or more, even states as large as Pennsylvania and Illinois might be disenfranchised as politicians and political campaigns spend all time and money in California and a few other states and ignore the others.

That is a prescription for disaster. When people feel they have no say in their government and loose hope of having any in the future, they WILL begin to look for alternatives. That is why we had an American Revolution in 1776. We don't need another one in 2036.
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Old 09-17-2018, 10:40 AM
 
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The electoral college should be abolished.

One person, one vote. I'm sick of land having a greater say than people.

And btw, this has nothing to do with Hillary. She lost because she was a terrible candidate. It should have been abolished after the 2000 election.

we do have one person one vote my friend, you just have never taken the time to understand the rules for a presidential election or why they were put in place in the first place. try understanding the constitution and what the founding fathers intended.
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Old 09-17-2018, 12:56 PM
 
Location: Atlanta, GA
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we do have one person one vote my friend
No we do not.

If you vote against the majority in your state your vote means absolutely nothing, it goes in the wastebasket as an irrelevance.
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Old 09-17-2018, 12:58 PM
 
Location: Atlanta, GA
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I disagree.

The Electoral College is part of the balancing between the states. It is a major reason the Union and the US Constitution have lasted for almost 230 years, far longer then many of the Founding Fathers dreamed possible. And it works, we continue to alternate Presidents among the two major parties, back and forth every few years.

Right now, we have a state that has 40 million people. If we abolished the Electoral College, California, a state with IMHO, politically irresponsible leadership, would dominate the nation. California would essentially disenfranchise all of the smaller states, probably all the mid-sized states as well. By 2030 when California's population may balloon to 44-45 million or more, even states as large as Pennsylvania and Illinois might be disenfranchised as politicians and political campaigns spend all time and money in California and a few other states and ignore the others.

That is a prescription for disaster. When people feel they have no say in their government and loose hope of having any in the future, they WILL begin to look for alternatives. That is why we had an American Revolution in 1776. We don't need another one in 2036.
Abolishing the electoral college would not disenfranchise anyone.

It would ENFRANCHISE EVERY SINGLE CITIZEN, no matter where they lived.

One person, one vote. All would count equally.

Rs could get votes from CA, same as Ds could get votes from TX.

As it is, everyone who votes against the majority in their state is disenfranchised, their vote is essentially not counted.

Also, it would bring a lot more diversity to the campaigns. As it is all of the campaigns only focus on the small number of swing states where the outcome is not already determined. One person one vote would be campaigning everywhere could benefit you and all of the states' issues would get greater consideration.
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Old 09-17-2018, 01:02 PM
 
Location: Plymouth Meeting, PA.
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funny how nobody on the left complained about the electoral college when Obama and Clinton won.
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Old 09-17-2018, 01:04 PM
 
Location: Atlanta, GA
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funny how nobody on the left complained about the electoral college when Obama and Clinton won.
Why would they? Their wins were consistent with the popular vote. People complain and rightfully so when the result differs and when we would prefer one person, one vote, instead.
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Old 09-17-2018, 02:44 PM
 
Location: New York Area
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She's like a little kid who loses a game at recess; she doesn't like the rules so she wants to change them.
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Old 09-17-2018, 02:50 PM
 
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Thanks! I might have missed this, and will be happy to read it.

I assume you know that many, many people want to dump the electoral college, so it's certainly not a radical idea any more.
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Old 09-17-2018, 02:52 PM
 
Location: Pennsylvania
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Thanks! I might have missed this, and will be happy to read it.

I assume you know that many, many people want to dump the electoral college, so it's certainly not a radical idea any more.
Please..... YOU ARE WASTING YOUR TIME, The electoral college is not going to be scraped. You need 38 states to ratify getting rid of it -- it's NOT HAPPENING. The smaller states would be strangling their own influence if they agree to it.
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