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Old 09-17-2018, 11:30 AM
 
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That's why I tried asking the OP to explain how drilling made the problem of high prices go away, when the prices are very high today.

Not surprisingly, he has not been able to explain it.
Again - prices are not unusually high.

They are closer to the higher end of the norm, but it's not unusual.

I am not agreeing with your assessment.
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Old 09-17-2018, 11:33 AM
 
Location: Florida
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Again - prices are not unusually high.

They are closer to the higher end of the norm, but it's not unusual.

I am not agreeing with your assessment.
They are high, and has been going up.
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Old 09-17-2018, 11:36 AM
 
Location: Del Rio, TN
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"It is actually from organic matter"

The earth has been creating organic matter every second of every day
AKA carbon...
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Old 09-17-2018, 11:38 AM
 
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What do you propose we replace them with. Electric cars charged up by coal & gas burning electrical plants? Same issue. Simply a different form of fossil fuel that isn't nearly as efficient at the macro level. Oh and the process of making that many batteries is quite nasty too.
Well im not a scientist or an expert on energy, however I do support regulation that push higher gas standards for car manufacturers and continuing the research to find alternative fuels.

At some point, we're not going to have a choice. it's not hard to understand we have a problem on our hands and what we're doing now isn't going to last for forever.
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Old 09-17-2018, 11:39 AM
 
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We don't agree on much, but you nailed it with the bolded comment. I agree with you.

I still find it interesting that you can't seem to apply your logic evenly though. You seem to throw this understanding out the door when you are tasked with defending your position on other things.

And BTW, you totally dodged accountability for your statement that "fracking was perfected in 1947". Are you still standing by that comment? Be strong enough to own it, or to admit your wrong.
Dear. The topic isn't about me.

Fracking was perfected in 1947. It's been constantly improved since, just like conventional oil drilling. It's silly to suggest that I said otherwise. But then again, it's now about attacking the messenger instead of addressing the message. And that message is that Obama got it 100% wrong. No way to spin your way out of this.
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Old 09-17-2018, 11:40 AM
 
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Well im not a scientist or an expert on energy, however I do support regulation that push higher gas standards for car manufacturers and continuing the research to find alternative fuels.

At some point, we're not going to have a choice. it's not hard to understand we have a problem on our hands and what we're doing now isn't going to last for forever.

Let the industry solve it instead of the government. Obama has set us back with his nonsense. Get the government out of it, and it will take care of itself.
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Old 09-17-2018, 11:43 AM
 
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Let the industry solve it instead of the government. Obama has set us back with his nonsense. Get the government out of it, and it will take care of itself.
Industries don't care about long term problems, what they care about are short term gains from one earnings report to the next.

I can see we don't agree about regulation, and thats fine, but I just don't agree that industry will solve the problem.
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Old 09-17-2018, 11:47 AM
 
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Industries don't care about long term problems, what they care about are short term gains from one earnings report to the next.

I can see we don't agree about regulation, and thats fine, but I just don't agree that industry will solve the problem.
They do if it affects their long term bottom line and sustainability as a company.
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Old 09-17-2018, 11:50 AM
 
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Industries don't care about long term problems, what they care about are short term gains from one earnings report to the next.

I can see we don't agree about regulation, and thats fine, but I just don't agree that industry will solve the problem.

Yet we are producing oil now which we didn't think was possible to produce 30 years ago. And it certainly wasn't due to the government. So you are wrong on this.
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Old 09-17-2018, 11:53 AM
 
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Yet we are producing oil now which we didn't think was possible to produce 30 years ago. And it certainly wasn't due to the government. So you are wrong on this.
I'm not wrong in the fact that we WILL run out of it at some point.
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