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Old 09-18-2018, 05:49 AM
 
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Originally Posted by Larry Caldwell View Post
You really need to follow the news. Russian hackers were active during the election, Russian bots were active during the election, and the cyber attacks continue.

https://www.cnn.com/2018/07/14/polit...sia/index.html

You are a victim. You are uncritically accepting Russian propaganda fed to you over the internet.

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/07/27/u...lections-.html

Recently, eight US Senators conducted foreign policy meetings in Russia.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/power...=.deecdd08209a

All eight voted against cyber-security funding to protect US elections from Russian interference.

It's time you stood up for America. The president is not the only elected official who is colluding with the Russians.
Your second link:

Despite attempts to infiltrate the online accounts of two Senate Democrats up for re-election, intelligence officials said they have seen little activity by Russian military hackers aimed at either major American political figures or state voter registration systems.

Does not support your fear mongering.

Your third link does not support your claim about the 8 voting on cyber security and even if they did what was the context. Were they the only ones? What else was on the bill?

 
Old 09-18-2018, 05:57 AM
 
Location: Charleston, SC
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Larry Caldwell View Post
You really need to follow the news. Russian hackers were active during the election, Russian bots were active during the election, and the cyber attacks continue.

https://www.cnn.com/2018/07/14/polit...sia/index.html

You are a victim. You are uncritically accepting Russian propaganda fed to you over the internet.

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/07/27/u...lections-.html

Recently, eight US Senators conducted foreign policy meetings in Russia.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/power...=.deecdd08209a

All eight voted against cyber-security funding to protect US elections from Russian interference.

It's time you stood up for America. The president is not the only elected official who is colluding with the Russians.
“Cannot believe GOP, once the party that stood strong against Soviets & only a decade ago sought to democratize the Middle East, is now surrendering so foolishly to [Russian President Vladimir] Putin and the Kremlin’s kleptocracy — only two years *after Russia interfered in U.S. election,” tweeted Clint Watts, an information warfare specialist at the Foreign Policy Research Institute and frequent featured expert before congressional panels examining Russian influence operations.

“Russians wooing with a shopworn song — repugnant as nails on a blackboard,” Sen. Richard Blumenthal (D-Conn.) wrote in a Twitter post in response to the delegation’s trip. “They are enemies and adversaries, attacking us.”

Taken from the Washington Post article you mention above- to me it sounds a whole lot like this hatred for the Russians is coming from the Dems and they're looking to go to war with Russia as soon as possible.
 
Old 09-19-2018, 04:16 PM
 
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Ok so that I follow, this is about rigging the election, presumably with the hacked emails that went to Wikileaks? How is that not considered dirt throwing at your election opponent? Let me give some other examples: P***sy grabbing video, urinating on Russian hoes dossier, Obama isn't a legal citizen, George Bush is a raging alcoholic and went AWOL, etc etc.

I guess what I'm getting at is every election at every level is chocked full of lies, slander, mud throwing, and supposed "proof" that your opponent is somehow evil. How is this any different?

If you are successful in removing Trump and his Trumpies out of office, who do you want to replace him? Let's suppose he's impeached, who is it that takes his place? Are you then satisfied with his replacement? Are you ok with Pence running the country?
Let me add a few things.

1. It's partly about influencing the election, not only with the hacked emails, but also what may have been a massive influencing campaign via the internet (since that's where so many people get their new from) by Russians who would be happy to have Trump as president, but, apart from that, just hope to sow chaos and dissension, as they've done in other countries. That's important even if Trump was not involved.

2. It's partly specifically about Trump, who conducts himself in disgusting and corrupt ways never before seen in a presidential candidate or president.

3. I think there's a distinction to be made between "mud" that is fairly truthful versus outright lies. It's perfectly reasonable to present evidence that Hillary may tend to be pro-war. It's not reasonable to claim that Obama was born in Africa or is a practicing Muslim. In fact, I can't figure out how it's even legal to make outlandish claims like that. I think you'll find that the flagrant lies mostly came from Trump supporters.

4. There is a growing idea that if Trump is removed, he has so damaged the country that everyone who came in via Trump (e.g. Pence) should be tossed out, too.

And thanks again for your reasonable, coherent posts.
 
Old 09-19-2018, 05:18 PM
 
Location: Myrtle Creek, Oregon
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Your second link:

Despite attempts to infiltrate the online accounts of two Senate Democrats up for re-election, intelligence officials said they have seen little activity by Russian military hackers aimed at either major American political figures or state voter registration systems.

Does not support your fear mongering.

Your third link does not support your claim about the 8 voting on cyber security and even if they did what was the context. Were they the only ones? What else was on the bill?
Does the name Cambridge Analytica ring a bell? Pull your head out of the sand. Facebook shut down 273 Russian bot pages. Why are you in denial?
 
Old 09-19-2018, 05:21 PM
 
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Originally Posted by Clarallel View Post
Okay, here's the relevance: What more important issue can there be to a democracy in a supposedly free country than the integrity of the elections? It was bad enough with all the suspicions of Bush Jr's elections - such as the black box security issues, the early call from the Bush relative on air, etc. But now the shenanigans appear to be coming from the country which is arguably our worst enemy. It will be bad enough to find that the Russians materially influenced our elections at all. But if we find that they influenced the elections with the connivance of a totally unqualified, predatory ignoramus, whom they gulled, flattered, and paid off - surely you must think that's a big deal? In my opinion, this would potentially be the biggest political crime of all time.

And if the left "wins," as you put it - it will ideally hasten the removal of Trump and any of his merry Trumpies. One can only hope that if Democrats are in power for long enough, Republicans might return to their senses and become the respectable conservatives they were in the past.

And, actually, no - not all politicians are equal, and not even Democrats and Republicans are equal. Neither side is saintly, but if you looks at the worst actions, such as the contemptible gerry-meanderings, you'll find that the worst generally comes from the Republicans.

By the way, I like your reasonable, rational post, even if we may not be in agreement.
Great post.
 
Old 09-19-2018, 05:27 PM
 
Location: Myrtle Creek, Oregon
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Trump's bromance with Putin has far reaching consequences.

Quote:
"My fundamental concern is that [Tillerson] is so decimating the senior levels of the Foreign Service that there's no one to show up at meetings where the US needs to be represented," a retired diplomat told The New Yorker.
https://www.businessinsider.com/stat...lerson-2017-10

Trump has still not restored foreign service staffing, and has appointed ignorant lackeys to key diplomatic posts. They had to jerk Jared Kushner's security clearance when it became obvious that Russian and Chinese operatives were leading him around by the nose.

Collusion has far reaching consequences.
 
Old 09-19-2018, 05:41 PM
 
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It's kind of like playing chess against a monkey and finding yourself in checkmate. It's the realization your opponent's strategy was never in the game but in your head, lol that you were playing a monkey.

Don't hate the monkey, hate the game
Well, isn't it at least relevant if the monkey has one of those ugly red butts?
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