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Old 09-18-2018, 09:07 AM
Status: "Praise Be" (set 18 days ago)
 
Location: Trumpville
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I give up on these nuts. They are so uninformed on just about everything they try to pretend that they are. EVERYTHING! I don't know if they are truly stupid or just acting stupid.
Yet you probably still believe Obama was born in Kenya, despite the fact that's been proven wrong time and time again. Your defense of Trump is entirely partisan.
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Old 09-18-2018, 09:12 AM
 
Location: Columbia, SC
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With valid evidence - yep.


However, I do have a problem when justice is administered unequally. In other words, I have no problem with people being charged with crimes they have committed. But why is the Democrat, who did exactly the same thing, not even being investigated?


Why are we talking about Trump involved in Russia hacking emails - when Clinton was found with classified info on an independent server? Or when Huma has classified info on her laptop... and Weiner? Why were they let off the hook?
How do you know they aren't? The charter was to investigate "...any matters that arose or may arise directly from the investigation." You, I , nor anyone else outside Mueller's circle has any idea where the investigation may have led, or who or what may be under investigation at this point.

Since the computer age began, members of all administrations of both parties have done business on private (usually RNC) servers, including Condoleeza Rice and Donald Rumsfeld, and Donald Trump and his family and staff. Hillary is just one of many. Google it. Hillary is targeted because of prior prejudice, not because she is a radical departure from the norm.

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Old 09-18-2018, 09:12 AM
 
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Yet you probably still believe Obama was born in Kenya, despite the fact that's been proven wrong time and time again. Your defense of Trump is entirely partisan.
lmao...No you got it backwards, your hatred for Trump is purely partisan. You don't even know 99.9% what you even post about. It's hilarious.
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Old 09-18-2018, 09:13 AM
 
Location: Columbia, SC
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Lets go with your example, but lets put it into context with the Russian investigation.

In your example someone is pulled over for speeding, but lets include the fact the the person was not speed, the officer used a false claim of speeding as a pretext to stop the driver, and search the vehicle.

The person was not speeding, there was no reason to stop him, and was only stopped to look for "other possible crimes", do you still think that person should face a drug charge?

Everyone needs to understand that there was no Russian collusion, there never was, and everyone knew it, including the FBI. They used unverified opposition research as a pretext to spy on, and then launch a special counsel investigation into the Trump campaign.

By saying you are ok with the Russian investigation, you are saying you are ok with the police stopping people for speeding, when they were not speeding, just to look for any potential crimes.
Do you have a link to support that claim...?
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Old 09-18-2018, 09:14 AM
 
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How do you know they aren't? The charter was to investigate "...any matters that arose or may arise directly from the investigation." You, I , nor anyone else outside Mueller's coircle has any idea where the investigation may have led, or who or what may be under investigation at this point.

Since the computer age began, members of all administrations of both parties have done business on private (usually RNC) servers, including Condoleeza Rice and Donald Rumsfeld, and Donald Trump and his family and staff. Hillary is just one of many. Google it. Hillary is targeted because of prior prejudice, not because she is a radical departure from the norm.
Another one who is posting falsehoods yet again. NOBODY EVER set up their own server in their own home like HRC did. What is up with you Left leaners and the truth? What is it? Why do you guys lie constantly?
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Old 09-18-2018, 09:14 AM
 
Location: Great Britain
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Trump's campaign was the subject of the investigation, not necessarily Trump himself. If he is innocent, he has a funny way of demonstrating it, tweeting nonstop about "no collusion". A legitimate president who represents all Americans would be first in line to demand an investigation and punishment of those found guilty of conspiracy with a hostile foreign government against the United States.

Here is the document that defines the reason for the investigation.

https://www.documentcloud.org/docume...r-special.html


Russian inteference and interactions between the Trump campaign and Moscow were first picked up from late 2015 until the summer of 2016, during routine surveillance of Russians, by several countries including the UK, Germany, Estonia, Poland, and Australia (and possibly the Netherlands and France) who relayed their discoveries and concerns to the U.S.

The U.S Intelligence agencies cannot surveil U.S. citizens without a warrant, so the U.S. was slow to recognise a pattern itself. However other foreign intelligence agencies outside the US had been watching Russian spy targets, and started to become aware of their involvement with the Trump Administration.

According to The Guardian, because the materials were highly sensitive, GCHQ director Robert Hannigan contacted CIA director John O. Brennan directly to give him information.

Concerned, Brennan gave classified briefings to U.S. Congress' "Gang of Eight" during late August and September 2016.

Referring only to intelligence allies and not to specific sources, Brennan told the Gang of Eight that he had received evidence that Russia might be trying to help Trump win the U.S. election.

It was later revealed that the CIA had obtained further intelligence from "sources inside the Russian government".

On May 23, 2017, Brennan stated to the House Intelligence Committee that Russia "brazenly interfered" in the 2016 U.and that he haswarned his counterpart at Russia's FSB intelligence agency, Alexander Bortnikov, against further interference.

The question is not whether Russia interferred as that's already been established, the question is how much did Trump and his administration know about this, and whther they in anyway helped the Russians or colluded with them.

In terms of George Papadopoulos he was bragging about the fact that he had all this dirt from Russia and had a meeting with Russian operaties to an Australian diplomat weho later informed US Intelligence, and Papadopoulos has admitted lying to the FBI. Papadopoulos has however offered to know hep the FBI hence the plea barganing and light sentence, indeed the light sentence may indicate that he's willing to give them everything he knows and whether Trump was directly involved. Then you have wikileaks leaking the Clinton emails and visits by the Trump administration to Julian Assange in London, as well as the Cambridge Analytica scandal, based from an office also in London.

Meanwhile Mueller is building up an increasing number of informants and witnesses and is following money trials across the world and it is through people like Mannafort turning informant that Mueller will be able to put moe of the pieces together. Whilst Trump's constant evasion, sackings discrediting and taking peoples security clearance away might in the end see Mueller look more and more closely in to a case of obstructing justice rather than just collusion. The final straw may be if he tries to sack Sessions and indeed tries to stop the Special Counsel Investigation or to get rid of Mueller.

Although collusion is just one of a number of investigations, you also have cases in relation to Trump's business activities, hush payments, the Steele Dossier and defamation cases by numerous women, to name but a few of the Trump administrations current problems. Whilst many claim it is the Southern District of New York Investigation which may be most harmful to the Trump Administration rather than Mueller.

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Old 09-18-2018, 09:16 AM
 
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Russian inteference and interactions between the Trump campaign and Moscow were first picked up from late 2015 until the summer of 2016, during routine surveillance of Russians, by several countries including the UK, Germany, Estonia, Poland, and Australia (and possibly the Netherlands and France) who relayed their discoveries and concerns to the U.S.

The U.S Intelligence agencies cannot surveil U.S. citizens without a warrant, so the U.S. was slow to recognise a pattern itself. However other foreign intelligence agencies outside the US had been watching Russian spy targets, and started to become aware of their involvement with the Trump Administration.

According to The Guardian, because the materials were highly sensitive, GCHQ director Robert Hannigan contacted CIA director John O. Brennan directly to give him information.

Concerned, Brennan gave classified briefings to U.S. Congress' "Gang of Eight" during late August and September 2016.

Referring only to intelligence allies and not to specific sources, Brennan told the Gang of Eight that he had received evidence that Russia might be trying to help Trump win the U.S. election.

It was later revealed that the CIA had obtained further intelligence from "sources inside the Russian government".

On May 23, 2017, Brennan stated to the House Intelligence Committee that Russia "brazenly interfered" in the 2016 U.and that he haswarned his counterpart at Russia's FSB intelligence agency, Alexander Bortnikov, against further interference.

The question is not whether Russia interferred as that's already been established, the question is how much did Trump and his administration know about this, and whther they in anyway helped the Russians or colluded with them.

In terms of George Papadopoulos he was bragging about the fact that he had all this dirt from Russia and had a meeting with Russian operaties to an Australian diplomat weho later informed US Intelligence, and Papadopoulos has admitted lying to the FBI. Papadopoulos has however offered to know hep the FBI hence the plea barganing and light sentence, indeed the light sentence may indicate that he's willing to give them everything he knows and whether Trump was directly involved. Then you have wikileaks leaking the Clinton emails and visits by the Trump administration to Julian Assange in London, as well as the Cambridge Analytica scandal, based from an office also in London.

Meanwhile Mueller is building up an increasing number of informants and witnesses and is following money trials across the world and it is through people like Mannafort turning informant that Mueller will be able to put moe of the pieces together. Whilst Trump's constant evasion, sackings discrediting and taking peoples security clearance away might in the end see Mueller look more and more closely in to a case of obstructing justice rather than just collusion. The final straw may be if he tries to sack Sessions and indeed tries to stop the Special Counsel Investigation or to get rid of Mueller.

Although collusion is just one of a number of investigations, you also have cases in relation to Trump's business activities, hush payments, the Steele Dossier and defamation cases by numerous women, to name but a few of the Trump administrations current problems. Whilst many claim it is the Southern District of New York Investigation which may be most harmful to the Trump Administration rather than Mueller.
Stop spreading #fakenews already.
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Old 09-18-2018, 09:17 AM
 
Location: Boston
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Originally Posted by cuebald View Post
How do you know they aren't? The charter was to investigate "...any matters that arose or may arise directly from the investigation." You, I , nor anyone else outside Mueller's coircle has any idea where the investigation may have led, or who or what may be under investigation at this point.

Since the computer age began, members of all administrations of both parties have done business on private (usually RNC) servers, including Condoleeza Rice and Donald Rumsfeld, and Donald Trump and his family and staff. Hillary is just one of many. Google it. Hillary is targeted because of prior prejudice, not because she is a radical departure from the norm.
do you have a link of those individuals using private home servers to send and receive TS documents like Hillary did?
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Old 09-18-2018, 09:19 AM
 
Location: Crooklyn, New York
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Originally Posted by Brave New World View Post


Russian inteference and interactions between the Trump campaign and Moscow were first picked up from late 2015 until the summer of 2016, during routine surveillance of Russians, by several countries including the UK, Germany, Estonia, Poland, and Australia (and possibly the Netherlands and France) who relayed their discoveries and concerns to the U.S.

The U.S Intelligence agencies cannot surveil U.S. citizens without a warrant, so the U.S. was slow to recognise a pattern itself. However other foreign intelligence agencies outside the US had been watching Russian spy targets, and started to become aware of their involvement with the Trump Administration.

According to The Guardian, because the materials were highly sensitive, GCHQ director Robert Hannigan contacted CIA director John O. Brennan directly to give him information.

Concerned, Brennan gave classified briefings to U.S. Congress' "Gang of Eight" during late August and September 2016.

Referring only to intelligence allies and not to specific sources, Brennan told the Gang of Eight that he had received evidence that Russia might be trying to help Trump win the U.S. election.

It was later revealed that the CIA had obtained further intelligence from "sources inside the Russian government".
I believe Mueller has long had "evidence of collusion," but that this evidence is likely not admissible in an American court of law. Either that or the evidence is not strong enough for a criminal conviction even if it's considered actionable/highly credible by the intelligence community. This could all change with Mueller since he could potentially draw a straight line from Russia to Trump.
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Old 09-18-2018, 09:20 AM
 
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How do you know they aren't? The charter was to investigate "...any matters that arose or may arise directly from the investigation." You, I , nor anyone else outside Mueller's coircle has any idea where the investigation may have led, or who or what may be under investigation at this point.

Since the computer age began, members of all administrations of both parties have done business on private (usually RNC) servers, including Condoleeza Rice and Donald Rumsfeld, and Donald Trump and his family and staff. Hillary is just one of many. Google it. Hillary is targeted because of prior prejudice, not because she is a radical departure from the norm.
Bingo.

If there was anything to charge her with, Sessions would have done so.

Good Lord, he led "Lock her up" chants.
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