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Old 09-19-2018, 02:36 PM
 
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Reform is just the PC term for amnesty. As you said no reform is needed.
When I say reform I mean stronger enforcement of existing laws and strengthening them like ending birthright citizenship. When liberals say "reform" they mean amnesty and almost no enforcement and open borders sanctuary.
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Old 09-19-2018, 02:37 PM
 
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Do you understand what a small percentage of undocumented immigrants commit crimes against other people? You don't have any real data to back up your claims. Pretty much every study says that I am safer around immigrants documented or not than someone born in this country.
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Data on Foreign-Born in Federal Prisons Says Little About Overall Immigrant Criminality
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A recent joint report by the Department of Justice and Department of Homeland Security, required by President Trumpís executive order on immigration enforcement in the nationís interior, provides a snapshot of the foreign-born population in federal prisons, but it also makes clear that existing data about this population does not provide an accurate assessment of the overall rates of crime by documented and undocumented immigrants.
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Old 09-19-2018, 02:40 PM
 
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And the articles (so many, too many to post in one c-d post) made that clear, legal processes are/were being followed, by the asylum seekers and also the immigrants. Yet, they have/had to endure irreparable damage, because of those in charge that are tasked with carrying out those polices, (not laws) took liberty to dish out a punishment, where there was not liberty on their part to take.
No the legal process is not being followed by asylum seekers and illegal aliens who crosses central America and Mexico and the US border then if caught claim asylum.
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Old 09-19-2018, 02:42 PM
 
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When I say reform I mean stronger enforcement of existing laws and strengthening them like ending birthright citizenship. When liberals say "reform" they mean amnesty and almost no enforcement and open borders sanctuary.
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ending birthright citizenship
I was born here; probably third generation German. Do you realize what you are saying here? Seems like ending that ... puts millions of people on a boat to a country they know nothing about. Ending that, means America doesn't exist, at all.
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Old 09-19-2018, 02:43 PM
 
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No the legal process is not being followed by asylum seekers and illegal aliens who crosses central America and Mexico and the US border then if caught claim asylum.
They can, and they have, yet today, it doesn't matter a damn.
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Old 09-19-2018, 02:43 PM
 
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What that means is illegal immigrants could be disproportionately committing more crime but we don't have the data. It doesn't matter even if their crime rate is lower, there'll still residing here illegally.
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Old 09-19-2018, 02:45 PM
 
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I was born here; probably third generation German. Do you realize what you are saying here? Seems like ending that ... puts millions of people on a boat to a country they know nothing about. Ending that, means America doesn't exist, at all.
Sure it does. America doesn't need to give citizenship to people born here to illegals. America doesn't need these people to be here at all. If your ancestors entered before 1924 they generally wouldn't be considered illegal. If they entered after that illegally, then illegality is not "America".
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Old 09-19-2018, 02:47 PM
 
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What that means is illegal immigrants could be disproportionately committing more crime but we don't have the data. It doesn't matter even if their crime rate is lower, there'll still residing here illegally.
Changing the argument in midstream does not negate the facts.
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Old 09-19-2018, 02:48 PM
 
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Sure it does. America doesn't need to give citizenship to people born here to illegals. America doesn't need these people to be here at all.
Economist and the ones making money through our central banking system, they think differently, when the population of workers they have, do not make them enough money.
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Old 09-19-2018, 02:52 PM
 
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Asylum seekers are not immigrants, anyone can claim asylum, that does not mean there is merit to it. Claiming asylum is a tactic to delay deportation, and hopefully be released in the US and disappear. Most of the current asylum seekers are not even following established norms by claiming asylum in the first country of safety, they are traveling further to the US. If you were crossing the border illegally got caught, claiming asylum is a good tactic. At that, asylum is a totally different discussion.

And no system is perfect, not a single one in the world. Merely selecting some examples of where the system failed does not mean there is a problem with the entire system. That is like saying your car is broke because you found a door ding, or because one out of a million heart surgeries go bad, heart surgeries itself are bad.

Fact is though there is a process, millions follow it just fine with no issue. If a person wants in the US, then they should follow the legal process. It is pretty clear.
Agreed. Each time period has a process . The illegals today sneaking in donít have green cards. They are simply illegal. Or yes claim asylum as a stall tactic to deportation. My ancestors came through Ellis Island so they did follow a process of their day. My other ancestors were already here. They were Indians. In any event times have changed and populations have grown and a country canít just have open borders and allow millions of unverified people in, many of whom are sick, uneducated, unskilled, and also have criminal backgrounds and intent. There are many who do follow the process and itís not fair to them either to just allow millions into the country whoíve done nothing to follow the process.
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